Yeah it’s deeply wrong on a technical, legal and ethical level. It violates a handful of doctrines in all of these disciplines.
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LeapSecond@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
So the purpose of this web portal is to show parents a transcript of their child’s conversations with their toys. Even if you ignore all security implications of storing this data, isn’t this a break of trust by itself? Don’t kids deserve a minimum of privacy?
hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Notyou@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
Depends on who you ask. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
My wife had her door taken off the hinges when she was growing up. Around pre-teen to teen. Yeah her mom doesn’t believe in her kids keeping anything private from her…or didn’t. Idk she’s old and barely mobile now.
RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Hey, me too! With the door removed!
It was put back on when one of my mothers friends commented how creepy it was anyone could see into the teenaged girls bedroom cause my room was on the main hallway through the house
This was my fault she was creeped out, naturally, but the door was back at least.
LeapSecond@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
The doors in my house didn’t close when I was a kid either (there was stuff in front of them). It didn’t feel weird at the time but I still have trouble seeing any space as mine. But this feels very light in comparison because it’s not hidden that your parents can hear you.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Right, but that’s batshit insane, so…
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 days ago
In America you get canceled for even implying that
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 3 days ago
…what?
Klox@lemmy.world 3 days ago
In my experience, absolutely not. And it’s not about sheltering kids. It’s about teachable moments. My spouse and I review the conversations my kids are having with their friends a couple times a month and I know a few other parents are doing the same. There’s so much harassment and bullying that IMO you are being a negligent parent if you don’t review and step in. We don’t need social interactions to be unhealthy and feign ignorance when they grow up to be a shitty person.
Kids are kids. They aren’t fully developed, they are impulsive, and groups of kids are just exponentially dumber. IMO empathy should not be treated as a natural skill. It can be taught and that requires often requires lessons, teachable moments, and correcting course. I’d say the toughest is the group texts with their friends.
My 11 year old was having super obnoxious “meme conversations” a couple weeks ago, often with unintended sexual inuendos. I can’t imagine that someone else is going to tell me I’m violating her privacy by being proactive. We discussed the memes and how they should conduct themselves in conversations. Another time, we saw her agreeing with a bullying conversation from another kid. We’re going to step in because that’s not a healthy conversation.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Yikes…
Klox@lemmy.world 3 days ago
lmao. Sure buddy. My kids are fantastic and they are becoming amazing people. Good luck with your life.
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
An 11 year old having SEX THOUGHTS? Speaking in MEMES!?
WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TO
Klox@lemmy.world 3 days ago
That’s somewhat my point. They were not having those thoughts, but using memes in a way that it could be construed.
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
If they didn’t know is there any real harm? Maybe later on they’ll learn and have a cringy memory to come back to.
Downvotes on my previous comment are suspicious. We’re on one of the most privacy minded communities there is and they’re supporting actively going through the personal messages of an 11 year old kid.
My parents would not have liked what conversations I had at 11, but knowing that I could express myself without someone hawking through my every thought.
If I was in your kid’s situation, I would never share anything with you. Having the thought police actively hanging over my every conversation would be a nightmare.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 days ago
And now you’re outing your child’s private conversations to the general public?
What the hell is wrong with you?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
OH NO, CUM? EWWWWWWW
Klox@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Middle schoolers don’t need to be sexting classmates, even if it is accidental. Are you a moron every day or just today?
BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Sending suggestive memes unintentionally suggestive is not sexting.
I guess every day but nowhere near as much as you.
MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 days ago
You know, you COULD just teach your kids to trust you, and give them reasons to trust you, so that they’ll come to you when they need advice…
Klox@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I think you’re missing the major thesis of my comment. This is not at all about trust. For example, they literally do not understand when they are behaving like a bully. It requires educating them. They don’t understand when they are being rude sometimes. They don’t understand many aspects of culture, why would they? I’m not going to let middle school group dynamics shape my kids moral compass. Empathy needs to be taught, sometimes very explicitly.
I’m sure they will come to us for advice and help, and I also know they won’t come going to us for everything, which is fine. But I’m not going to half ass raising my kids. That goes for dozens of topics.
MotoAsh@piefed.social 3 days ago
So you do not trust your local school or its educators to observe and step in on things as utterly common as bullying?
Hellicopter parent is still a fucking complement compared to your behavior…
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 3 days ago
This is the cringiest thing I’ve read this week.
Mirshe@lemmy.world 3 days ago
For a certain type of parent, no. They see immorality and demons behind every planter and think every other person in the world is out to snatch their kid. I definitely had classmates in my school days who were not afforded any privacy at all - diaries couldn’t be locked, journals were read through, any electronic records got read and gone over, etc.
Unsurprisingly, a large number of these people have grown up to be intensely private in their personal lives, and it’s incredibly difficult to pick the mask apart from the person even if you’re incredibly close. They won’t share any thought because their own thoughts were the only privacy they could have.
LeapSecond@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
I feel this can be even worse when it’s not obvious the parents are going through their stuff. Kids will know they’re being watched but not necessarily how. This can really fuck with your head.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Even the cultural milieu of that combined with having a reason to hide gave me damage because I was on edge that my privacy might be being invaded without my knowledge