Not really that necessary in NL. Most people are cruising the city at 18-20kph. The fietsers on the ebikes obviously go faster, but in heavy traffic, you’re not gonna go full speed anyhow.
Even the Fietsersbond cyclist association is changing its tone, while stressing that there is no excuse for reckless drivers or poor infrastructure. “We have the position that helmets don’t prevent accidents but it can be a wise decision to wear one on a voluntary basis,” said its director, Esther van Garderen. “Emphasising too much that you should wear a helmet would discourage people from cycling sometimes, though, and has the air of victim-blaming. I think it’s coming slowly, although there’s no such thing as a society with zero danger and we value our culture where you can cycle safe and free.”
Seems like a soft position from Fiestersbond and for good reason. I read your article and then followed the sources and looked up the actual numbers. And you need to STFU with your helmet opinion and actually think about the articles you read/link and their sources. According to the same links sourced in the article(!), the CBS says in 2023, people here in NL over the age of six (roughly 15-16m people) traveled over 1000km each by bike in the year. So just shy of 3km a day by bike. Millions upon millions of trips per fucking year. How many of those millions of trips resulted in a crash? 120k. Wow, that seems like a lot doesn’t it? How many people cycle on any given day? According to wikipedia, which cites a EU travel report, 36%. So 5.4m-ish people, making at least one trip per day makes it almost 2 billion trips over an entire fuckin year (5.4m * 365 == 1.97b). So, of those 2 billion trips, we have 120k crashes. Which is… hold on, let me paste it from the calculator because it has so many fucking zeros: 0.000060882800609.
Now, let’s do some math. How likely is it that you will be in a crash in a given year?
No-crash probability per trip:
1−0.00006=0.99994.
Annual no-crash probability (365 trips):
(0.99994)^365≈0.9783.
Annual crash probability:
1−0.9783=0.0217 or 2.17%.
So a 1 in 46 chance of being in a crash in a given year from cycling one trip every day and of those crashes, less than half are serious. Over my 1000km I cycle. Get the fuck outta here with “very common” from your shit article.
I don’t live there, but I’ve often heard that the common rationale for not wearing a helmet is that bike-bike or bike-human accidents usually don’t result in head injuries. Usually, it is a bike-car accident that can result in head injuries, and if you get hit by a car at speed then you have other issues.
You are correct either way, but the problem wouldn’t be as bad if bike lanes are completely separated from cars. I do not have a source, but I’d assume that places like 's-Hertogenbosch, Houten and Utrecht have less head injuries due to the better (completely separated from cars) bike infrastructure compared to Amsterdam or Rotterdam.
Like the commenter you’re up against, most Dutch people are very feral when wearing a helmet on a bike is concerned. Everyone confused themselves a master of biking and therefore impervious to damage.
Opinions claiming otherwise are very toxicly brushed aside. Even though numbers increase, specially with electric bikes becoming more common.
They actually found that both cyclists and drivers tend to take more risks when helmets are abundant, which in turn leads to more serious accidents instead of fewer.
Moreover the Netherlands don’t have comparatively more head injuries each year than more car-centric countries, suggesting that cycling doesn’t contribute that much overall.
And most injuries tend to happen to old people. Drop the 60+ bracket and suddenly head injuries from cycling drops to an inconsequential number.
My experience when wearing a bike helmet in NL is that car drivers seem to take more risks with my safety, they drive closer to me than I normally experience, and I feel less safe than when I’m not wearing a helmet.
Times are changing though. These days there are loads of annoying kids on fatbikes. Often they go faster than allowed while these kids are even a danger to themselves and others while walking. There’s a step rise in accidents but due to the laws they can’t do much about it as they fall into the category of bike instead of scooter or moped. Now there’s a minimum age (14 I think?) for fatbikes but that barily works preventing accidents. Now with the rise of e-bikes the average cycling speed is also increased which is something everyone needs to adjust to. Drivers too, as cyclists are sooner at an intersection as they used to be. This also causes accidents. This is how I broke my collarbone because a driver thought he had enough time to cross the cycling path but this caused me to crash into him with 25km/h. Without helmets the chance of serious head injuries is greatly increased with speeds of 25km/h. And there are many fatbikes going 45km/h.
Helmets are promoted in North America so that when a car kills a cyclist they can blame it on the cyclist if they aren’t wearing a helmet instead of blaming it on the shitty cycling infrastructure.
Nah im not gonna carry a liter of foam around to cut a 10^-5 chance in third, you do you of course, but this risk is small enough and the inconvenience of carrying around a helmet is large enogh for me to not care for cycling as transportation.
I find the fear mongering around this topic to be supremely annoying. Just let adults ride their bikes however they want. If you try to get your child, employee, or participants in a sporting event to wear a helmet, that’s completely reasonable. But assuming the vast majority of dutch cyclists to be idiots for cycling without a helmet is just asinine.
Everyone seeing cycling as a normal mode of transport is never gonna work if everyone is scared of cycling to the point of never considering it without a helmet. Mandatory helmet laws seem to be one of the most effective measures to discourage cycling, so don’t try to make a bike culture that effectively acts like one.
Rothe@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
As long as you wear a helmet.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not really that necessary in NL. Most people are cruising the city at 18-20kph. The fietsers on the ebikes obviously go faster, but in heavy traffic, you’re not gonna go full speed anyhow.
errer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is just wrong, head injuries are very common in the Netherlands. theguardian.com/…/the-brain-is-very-vulnerable-du…
Just wear a fucking helmet, looking like a dweeb is better than brain damage.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
FTA:
Seems like a soft position from Fiestersbond and for good reason. I read your article and then followed the sources and looked up the actual numbers. And you need to STFU with your helmet opinion and actually think about the articles you read/link and their sources. According to the same links sourced in the article(!), the CBS says in 2023, people here in NL over the age of six (roughly 15-16m people) traveled over 1000km each by bike in the year. So just shy of 3km a day by bike. Millions upon millions of trips per fucking year. How many of those millions of trips resulted in a crash? 120k. Wow, that seems like a lot doesn’t it? How many people cycle on any given day? According to wikipedia, which cites a EU travel report, 36%. So 5.4m-ish people, making at least one trip per day makes it almost 2 billion trips over an entire fuckin year (5.4m * 365 == 1.97b). So, of those 2 billion trips, we have 120k crashes. Which is… hold on, let me paste it from the calculator because it has so many fucking zeros: 0.000060882800609.
Now, let’s do some math. How likely is it that you will be in a crash in a given year?
No-crash probability per trip:
1−0.00006=0.99994.
Annual no-crash probability (365 trips):
(0.99994)^365≈0.9783.
Annual crash probability:
1−0.9783=0.0217 or 2.17%.
So a 1 in 46 chance of being in a crash in a given year from cycling one trip every day and of those crashes, less than half are serious. Over my 1000km I cycle. Get the fuck outta here with “very common” from your shit article.
FlembleFabber@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
At least my hair will look good while I have brain damage
nutcase2690@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I don’t live there, but I’ve often heard that the common rationale for not wearing a helmet is that bike-bike or bike-human accidents usually don’t result in head injuries. Usually, it is a bike-car accident that can result in head injuries, and if you get hit by a car at speed then you have other issues.
You are correct either way, but the problem wouldn’t be as bad if bike lanes are completely separated from cars. I do not have a source, but I’d assume that places like 's-Hertogenbosch, Houten and Utrecht have less head injuries due to the better (completely separated from cars) bike infrastructure compared to Amsterdam or Rotterdam.
Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Like the commenter you’re up against, most Dutch people are very feral when wearing a helmet on a bike is concerned. Everyone confused themselves a master of biking and therefore impervious to damage.
Opinions claiming otherwise are very toxicly brushed aside. Even though numbers increase, specially with electric bikes becoming more common.
It’s the darker side of our bike prowess.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
They actually found that both cyclists and drivers tend to take more risks when helmets are abundant, which in turn leads to more serious accidents instead of fewer.
Moreover the Netherlands don’t have comparatively more head injuries each year than more car-centric countries, suggesting that cycling doesn’t contribute that much overall.
And most injuries tend to happen to old people. Drop the 60+ bracket and suddenly head injuries from cycling drops to an inconsequential number.
madjo@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
My experience when wearing a bike helmet in NL is that car drivers seem to take more risks with my safety, they drive closer to me than I normally experience, and I feel less safe than when I’m not wearing a helmet.
strlcpy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
These are bikes only, very low speed interactions. The sort where if you do bump into someone, it’s just a foot on the ground at worst.
stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Landing on your head at low speeds is still very dangerous. A helmet is not a bad idea.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Times are changing though. These days there are loads of annoying kids on fatbikes. Often they go faster than allowed while these kids are even a danger to themselves and others while walking. There’s a step rise in accidents but due to the laws they can’t do much about it as they fall into the category of bike instead of scooter or moped. Now there’s a minimum age (14 I think?) for fatbikes but that barily works preventing accidents. Now with the rise of e-bikes the average cycling speed is also increased which is something everyone needs to adjust to. Drivers too, as cyclists are sooner at an intersection as they used to be. This also causes accidents. This is how I broke my collarbone because a driver thought he had enough time to cross the cycling path but this caused me to crash into him with 25km/h. Without helmets the chance of serious head injuries is greatly increased with speeds of 25km/h. And there are many fatbikes going 45km/h.
sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Helmets are promoted in North America so that when a car kills a cyclist they can blame it on the cyclist if they aren’t wearing a helmet instead of blaming it on the shitty cycling infrastructure.
kugel7c@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Nah im not gonna carry a liter of foam around to cut a 10^-5 chance in third, you do you of course, but this risk is small enough and the inconvenience of carrying around a helmet is large enogh for me to not care for cycling as transportation.
I find the fear mongering around this topic to be supremely annoying. Just let adults ride their bikes however they want. If you try to get your child, employee, or participants in a sporting event to wear a helmet, that’s completely reasonable. But assuming the vast majority of dutch cyclists to be idiots for cycling without a helmet is just asinine.
Everyone seeing cycling as a normal mode of transport is never gonna work if everyone is scared of cycling to the point of never considering it without a helmet. Mandatory helmet laws seem to be one of the most effective measures to discourage cycling, so don’t try to make a bike culture that effectively acts like one.
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
See what happens when you don’t wear a helmet?