Comment on She is making a GREAT point

chunes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• yakko@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  You say that as if women haven’t been treated like property in nearly every society ever since we learned how to farm

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  • chunes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is one of the dumbest wagons to hitch that argument to in particular.

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• Droggelbecher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s less of a conspiracy and more that it didn’t even occur to society until pretty recently (in historical terms) that reproduction isn’t solely a woman’s responsibility

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  • Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well yes. But it also occured to society that stopping 1 egg per month is easier than millions of sperm every day.

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    • Droggelbecher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This sounds like it would make sense on the surface, but is just not true. You can look up pretty easily that there wasn’t really any research on the viability of male hormonal birth control until half a century after female hormonal birth control became a thing, so it’s not like they made a rational decision based on scientific findings. When they found out how to do it for men, it was roughly comparably complicated, with similar side effects. This too is easy to look up.

      It makes sense that the side effects were too much to legalize hormonal male birth control because today’s standards are much higher. Which is a good thing ofc- im glad they don’t allow new medication as easily as they did in the past. Female birth control wouldn’t be legalized if it was invented today, and neither would, for example, aspirin. They get to stay around because they don’t take that stuff back out usually, even if it wouldn’t pass modern standards. That’s a bit of a tangent though.

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      • Scirocco@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Many men would LOVE a reliable, non-condom, male-controlled birth control method

        Currently for men there are two options — condoms, which are problematic and difficult in several ways, or vasectomy, which is essentially permanent or at least difficult and uncertain to be reversed.

        The third method is to take WAY too many TOO HOT baths, but that also has uncertainty and is a real hassle.

        As it stands, really for men they either need to use a condom, or trust that your female partner is reliable.

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  • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is that why men have been wrapping their dicks in all sorts of weird shit for thousands of years? Animal intestines and bladders to name but a few. Fuck your “in historical terms”, youre talking out of your arse, just like every other sexist who makes hating men part of their personality.

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    • Droggelbecher@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Why is everyone in this thread acting like men are always the ones providing and insisting on using barrier methods? Have yall talked to a woman who’s had casual sex before about what it’s like out there?

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      • Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes, men AND women are both taking responsibility. Just because you can point to few cases of morons, doesnt make “women are sluts who use abortion as birth control” anymore true than the bullshit youre pedalling. But nice try, trying to get out of the “historical terms” bullshit, but shifting the focus to modern day… Doesnt at all make you look desperate to be right, regardless of facts…

        Theres bad apples in every bunch. Only a bigot tries to frame that bad apple as the whole bunch.

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• JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I do think that birth control pills having 1 week of sugar pills to force periods rather than 1 week of optional pills to allow skipping periods is pretty fucked up though. The term conspiracy is pretty intense though. But it’s super fucked.

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  • Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Was curious about the placebos and came across this if you are interested.

    srh.bmj.com/content/…/214.full.pdf

    A paper that suggests there is no medical evidence why there should be a break in hormonal pills and that you can simply just start a new pack of pills and continue going on with your life

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    • PrincessTardigrade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes and your prescription then runs out early, leaving you without birth control for multiple weeks

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      • Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Sounds like a logistical problem, not a medical problem.

        I used the word should.

        As in the system right now is flawed and could be better.

        What point are you trying to make because I’m not picking up on what you are putting down

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