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Yeah, let’s just ignore the right-wing think tanks, conservative/MAGA influencers who aren’t on Russia’s payroll, and right-wing “news” organizations. It’s totally just the Russia and not right-wingers trying to destroy the country to grab all the power for themselves…

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BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨47⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
You know America is cooked because even the liberals refuse to believe that any flaws in their glorious perfect country are home grown. They can only be the work of subversion by evil foreigners

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LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The majority ARE on Russia’s payroll, it’s literally how they got famous. They were blackmailable, due to crimes including visiting illegal porn sites and snuff sites, which has content literally made by Putin of his prisoners and people he dislikes to warn others to stay in line and to get blackmail.

So Russia picks someone they can blackmail FIRST, and THEN has them make content that they advertise and have bot armies (slaves, human slaves) talk about in comments etc. They do this EXACT strategy wirh crypto tickers and with fundraisers like for Gaza. If the bots (HUMAN SLAVES) do not perform well, they get tortured, starved, etc. It is literally thousands of people in these networks, and they are working in concert with BRICS, not just Russia.

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- BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨46⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
  This is literally qanon tier conspiracy theory
  
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  - LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    Sources have been given. lemmy.world/post/36107411/19469733
    
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- M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  You can source your claims. I’ll wait. There is too much here that is hyperbole and not based in reality.
  
  If a majority of right-wing influencers are literally and currently traitors, that is a serious accusation and requires serious proof.
  
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  - LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Please see American Kompromat by Unger and Active Measures documentary linked elsewhere itt.
    
    Regarding illicit content/ snuff, here’s a much smaller example with monkey torture rings: www.bbc.com/news/world-65951188
    
    Torture by Putin’s admin in prisons: www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043
    
    www.rferl.org/a/…/31493651.html
    
    www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58978613
    
    Cyberwarfare by Russia, including propaganda: geopoliticalmonitor.com/exploring-cyber-darkness-…
    
    Bots are actually large human slave networks: www.npr.org/…/pig-butchering-scam-crypto-tether
    
    US election interference (there’s actually a lot of these links but I’ll post most recent I know of): home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2766
    
    Here’s one more: politico.com/…/us-election-software-national-secu…
    
    Romania election interference: thesoufancenter.org/intelbrief-2024-december-13/
    
    Georgia election interference: fpri.org/…/russian-influence-operations-in-georgi…
    
    Slovakia election interference: …harvard.edu/…/beyond-the-deepfake-hype-ai-democr…
    
    Serbia election interference: octopusinstitute.org/foreign-interference-in-elec…
    
    Crypto funds rightwing extremists, usually in preparation for an election takeover: www.defenseone.com/threats/2025/01/…/402427/
    
    Russia called Ukraine Nazis: adl.org/…/why-putin-calling-ukrainian-government-…
    
    Russia and stooge says Ukraine war is proxy war: reuters.com/…/kremlin-says-rubios-view-ukraine-co…
    
    AFD is explicitly pro-Russian: thehill.com/…/5167235-germanys-afd-presents-a-cle…
    
    Musk supports AFD: cnn.com/…/musk-livestream-afd-weidel-germany-intl
    
    Musk in contact with Putin: pbs.org/…/what-to-know-about-elon-musks-reported-…
    
    Musk funded a dark money group ($100mil) that pretended to be Democrats and astroturfed: opensecrets.org/…/pro-trump-dark-money-network-ti…
    
    Starlink satellites are in Russia: reuters.com/…/russia-using-thousands-spacex-starl…
    
    Russia’s Starlink access helping them win war: intellinews.com/elon-musk-s-starlink-is-turning-t…
    
    Russia developing own Starlink: reuters.com/…/russia-developing-starlink-rival-ra…
    
    Let’s do something about it if you have evidence to support your assertions
    
    Lol you sweet summer child. There’s a world war coming, the entire EU has been unable to stop this. What narcissism do you posess that you think this info, freely available to everyone, is new to them just because it is new to you?
    
    Twitter is owned by Elon, whonwas given money by BRICS for this exact purpose.
    
    Zuckerberg is owned by the US government along with Google, so they step in heel with whoever is in charge.
    
    Yes, had we had a national online forum, this could’ve been prevented.
    
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    M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I want to thank you for sourcing most of your claims and engaging with me in good faith. I wish you sourced the claim I specifically pointed out, but alas, I’ll engage with what you posted.
    
    Please see American Kompromat by Unger and Active Measures documentary linked elsewhere itt.
    
    I’ll will give it a watch at a later time when I get over my illness, but the rise of Trump surely didn’t have anything to do with the DNC and Clinton campaign pushing Trump as a pied piper candidate and telling the media to take him seriously. Russia did not make the mainstream media mention him an uncountable number of times. Russia also does not fund domestic right-wing organizations that back Trump to the best of my knowledge.
    
    From the verified, leaked DNC memo sent by the Clinton campaign in 2015:
    
    Our hope is that the goal of a potential HRC campaign and the DNC would be one-‐in-‐the-‐same: to make whomever the Republicans nominate unpalatable to a majority of the electorate. We have outlined three strategies to obtain our goal:
    
    Force all Republican candidates to lock themselves into extreme conservative positions that will hurt them in a general election;
    
    In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more “Pied Piper” candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to: • Ted Cruz • Donald Trump • Ben Carson
    
    We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them seriously.
    
    It’s clear that the press took him seriously.
    
    Regarding illicit content/ snuff, here’s a much smaller example with monkey torture rings: www.bbc.com/news/world-65951188
    
    I’m not sure if that’s relevant to the discussion.
    
    Torture by Putin’s admin in prisons: www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043
    
    I don’t disbelieve that.
    
    Cyberwarfare by Russia, including propaganda: geopoliticalmonitor.com/exploring-cyber-darkness-…
    
    Not entirely relevant to the discussion, but a lot of these vectors could be mitigated through sane practices like not exposing our e.g. energy infrastructure to the open web.
    
    politico.com/…/us-election-software-national-secu…
    
    Long read, got through most of it. States and our country being broadly incompetent with our voting systems is well-known. We can do better at any point and standardize systems, increase oversight and transparency, improve efficiency, and vastly improve security. Experts and other influential figures have been sounding the alarm for a long time.
    
    [sources of election interference in Europe]
    
    I don’t live in these countries and I did not experience these happenings, but I will say that it is incredibly more plausible to me that Russia is more overtly influencing European politics, and I don’t need a wealth of evidence to hold that position. Thanks for the links though, I will check them out on my own time.
    
    Crypto funds rightwing extremists, usually in preparation for an election takeover: www.defenseone.com/threats/2025/01/…/402427/
    
    Unregulated, speculative, and essentially untraceable currency should not have ever been able to be converted to other currencies. I am unsurprised, but at the same time we can do better.
    
    [various sources relating to the Ukraine sovereignty conflict]
    
    I am a believer in sovereignty and I support the people of Ukraine. I’ll leave it at that.
    
    [various sources relating to Musk & Starlink]
    
    Yes, Musk is very likely a traitor and is not a good-faith actor. The facts are in evidence, yet you are the first person I have seen consolidating this information.
    
    Lol you sweet summer child. There’s a world war coming, the entire EU has been unable to stop this.
    
    The EU has done nothing concrete on multiple fronts. The Biden administration also largely abandoned Ukraine…
    
    I don’t see a world war or a civil war coming, call me naive but I feel there is little appetite from populaces across the world. I don’t believe China would seriously position themselves with Russia against the world, despite recent developments which I am aware of. Again, maybe I’m naive, but I’ll hold my position.
    
    Yes, had we had a national online forum, this could’ve been prevented.
    
    I disagree, I am a firm believer in decentralized social media. I dislike Lemmy and other fediverse platforms for a few key reasons that we may agree on, but they are the best we have currently. Specific countries could regulate or tailor decentralized media to fit their needs.
    
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Denjin@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
What’s so insidious about russia’s psiop over the last few decades is that all they’ve done is gently nudge the dial. They’ve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions, they’ve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.

And if you think “haha stupid MAGAs” falling for propaganda, I got news for you buddy, you’ve fallen for it too.

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- BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨40⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
  
  And if you think “haha stupid MAGAs” falling for propaganda, I got news for you buddy, you’ve fallen for it too.
  
  Good thing you’re immune, though. Now tell me more about how all of the West’s problems are actually because of a vast conspiracy theory of evil foreigners.
  
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- M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  You’ve fallen for propaganda that convinces you that there is an external enemy to worry about instead of actually looking at the situation critically. Right-wing organizations drive right-wing talking points.
  
  They’ve sown distrust of traditional media and of democratic institutions
  
  Pretty sure they did that to themselves. I didn’t need Russia feeding me propaganda to see through the bullshit, and many others reached that conclusion on their own. The Fairness Doctrine being repealed is one big reason why traditional media failed. Russia didn’t do that.
  
  they’ve polarised discourse to that communities that mostly rubbed alongside one another reasonably well now are so idealogically opposed to each other that the middle ground has evaporated.
  
  Right-wingers and liberals alike have polarized discourse. Leftists aren’t innocent either, especially MLs (many whom seem to be biased towards Russia), but there are plenty that I have interacted with that or witnessed that were exceedingly fair and human.
  
  Liberals blame anybody to the left of them for not falling in line, constantly mock or berate them for demanding better, and do absolutely nothing to meaningfully do anything to improve their preferred party or improve the human condition in America. As for the right, we all know what they do.
  
  middle ground has evaporated.
  
  Politics and governance shouldn’t be a game of tug of war where the right have a monster truck pulling their side and Democrats pretending to hold the rope on their side.
  
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DicJacobus@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
They haven’t been on russias payroll for years.

They genuinely believe the shit they swill. By and large the paid agents were 5 to 10 years ago.

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phdepressed@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If you look into it an amazing amount of them are further funded by Russia. Not solely but enough to make them bigger than they’d be otherwise.

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- M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  If you look into it an amazing amount of them are further funded by Russia.
  
  You seem to know more than me based on your response. You are claiming an amazing amount are presently funded by Russia, source?
  
  Do these people also take money from right-wing organizations?
  
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  - phdepressed@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    npr.org/…/nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-o…
    
    apnews.com/…/russian-interference-presidential-el…
    
    www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/…/598258001/
    
    Just some quick bigger stories. There are others as well.
    
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  - BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨39⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
    No, there are not
    
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prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Yeah, I don’t think they need to be on Russia’s payroll anymore. They’re in deep.

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- M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  How is Russia controlling their talking points now? Is everybody on the right threatened, blackmailed, or are otherwise under duress? We know they aren’t the most intelligent bunch, but they are being traitors for their own reasons - for the most part.
  
  The major talking points mostly came from the aforementioned organizations and outlets even when some of these people were being paid.
  
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  - prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Huh? My point was that the people are pushing the insane bullshit on their own accord now because they believe it
    
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    M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    What are some major talking points that Russia seeded in their heads that persist to this day? These people are pro-American in their minds - many likely believe they are more pro-American than anybody else.
    
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