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I want to thank you for sourcing most of your claims and engaging with me in good faith. I wish you sourced the claim I specifically pointed out, but alas, I’ll engage with what you posted.

Please see American Kompromat by Unger and Active Measures documentary linked elsewhere itt.

I’ll will give it a watch at a later time when I get over my illness, but the rise of Trump surely didn’t have anything to do with the DNC and Clinton campaign pushing Trump as a pied piper candidate and telling the media to take him seriously. Russia did not make the mainstream media mention him an uncountable number of times. Russia also does not fund domestic right-wing organizations that back Trump to the best of my knowledge.

From the verified, leaked DNC memo sent by the Clinton campaign in 2015:

Our hope is that the goal of a potential HRC campaign and the DNC would be one-‐in-‐the-‐same: to make whomever the Republicans nominate unpalatable to a majority of the electorate. We have outlined three strategies to obtain our goal:

Force all Republican candidates to lock themselves into extreme conservative positions that will hurt them in a general election;

In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more “Pied Piper” candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party. Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to: • Ted Cruz • Donald Trump • Ben Carson

We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to them seriously.

It’s clear that the press took him seriously.

Regarding illicit content/ snuff, here’s a much smaller example with monkey torture rings: www.bbc.com/news/world-65951188

I’m not sure if that’s relevant to the discussion.

Torture by Putin’s admin in prisons: www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62465043

I don’t disbelieve that.

Cyberwarfare by Russia, including propaganda: geopoliticalmonitor.com/exploring-cyber-darkness-…

Not entirely relevant to the discussion, but a lot of these vectors could be mitigated through sane practices like not exposing our e.g. energy infrastructure to the open web.

politico.com/…/us-election-software-national-secu…

Long read, got through most of it. States and our country being broadly incompetent with our voting systems is well-known. We can do better at any point and standardize systems, increase oversight and transparency, improve efficiency, and vastly improve security. Experts and other influential figures have been sounding the alarm for a long time.

[sources of election interference in Europe]

I don’t live in these countries and I did not experience these happenings, but I will say that it is incredibly more plausible to me that Russia is more overtly influencing European politics, and I don’t need a wealth of evidence to hold that position. Thanks for the links though, I will check them out on my own time.

Crypto funds rightwing extremists, usually in preparation for an election takeover: www.defenseone.com/threats/2025/01/…/402427/

Unregulated, speculative, and essentially untraceable currency should not have ever been able to be converted to other currencies. I am unsurprised, but at the same time we can do better.

[various sources relating to the Ukraine sovereignty conflict]

I am a believer in sovereignty and I support the people of Ukraine. I’ll leave it at that.

[various sources relating to Musk & Starlink]

Yes, Musk is very likely a traitor and is not a good-faith actor. The facts are in evidence, yet you are the first person I have seen consolidating this information.

Lol you sweet summer child. There’s a world war coming, the entire EU has been unable to stop this.

The EU has done nothing concrete on multiple fronts. The Biden administration also largely abandoned Ukraine…

I don’t see a world war or a civil war coming, call me naive but I feel there is little appetite from populaces across the world. I don’t believe China would seriously position themselves with Russia against the world, despite recent developments which I am aware of. Again, maybe I’m naive, but I’ll hold my position.

Yes, had we had a national online forum, this could’ve been prevented.

I disagree, I am a firm believer in decentralized social media. I dislike Lemmy and other fediverse platforms for a few key reasons that we may agree on, but they are the best we have currently. Specific countries could regulate or tailor decentralized media to fit their needs.

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LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Article 4 of NATO was recently activated. Russia sent drones into Romania and Poland. Germany is uping their defenses. Biden admin didn’t abandon Ukraine, Trump made a point to call Biden a warmonger over it even.

If China didn’t want Russia to be in wars, they wouldn’t send over North Korean soldiers to Russia (NK is basically a satellite slave state of China). The world war already happened when they got involved. They just don’t want to escalate it until their war manufacturing and supplies are figured out.

China wants Taiwan and the South China Sea and probably Australia for the gold. Each BRICS member has major territories goals they want, eg India and the Indus River which also has gold. BRICS was explicitly made to destabilize USD and the Euro.

I am not saying to ban other social media, I am saying as a cornerstone of democracy, we need to be able to have forums with our government in official and secure ways, that we can track, and sue over free speech violations. We cannot do that with private companies including private servers. You can just get banned and silenced. Further, we should have streamlined ways of getting government notices, recalls, and contacting our officials. No upvotes or ads allowed.

I need evidence

Active Measures doc explicitly goes over Tucker Carlson and Trump and others. Please see that doc. That’s why you’re missing so much info. I’ve given it to you already. Also the book American Kompromat.

This is how democracy and representative governance works - it’s not victim-blaming.

Wow, really? I had no clue, because we’ve been living under active attacks to our governance and democracy specifically so we CAN’T do exactly that, so we DON’T have power, because it is a fascist takeover, including blackmailing numerous government officials and public figures. Fascists don’t respect democracy. And it is victim blaming, which supports abusers - in this case, supports Nazis and fascists. Nice.

You are editing your comment just as much as I am now trying to respond to you. Chill.

No, you don’t manage my feelings, and further, your edits messed with my other comment and made it reset. So I think I get to be annoyed that it cost me an extra 15min of my life trying to tell you stuff that you couldve googled yourself because you’re so geopolitically ignorant.

Oh and btw, if you need more evidence - go look it up. I am not in charge of your education and am just giving one basic link to support my points. If you want detailed info, be proactive and seek it out and learn. As it is, you come across as willfully and deliberately ignorant and needing to be spoonfed basic information the rest of us have known since 2016.

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- M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
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  I -already- said I am acutely aware of recent developments. We disagree. Russia is not capable, India is unstable, and China is likely to let Russia fail as they essentially already have been. World war is absolute suicide for the human race.
  
  I am not saying to ban other social media, I am saying as a cornerstone of democracy, we need to be able to have forums with our government in official and secure ways, that we can track, and sue over free speech violations. We cannot do that with private companies including private servers. You can just get banned and silenced. Further, we should have streamlined ways of getting government notices, recalls, and contacting our officials. No upvotes or ads allowed.
  
  If I trusted my government, I’d be more inclined to agree with you. I’ve been lied to and gaslit far too much. My government didn’t represent my interests or the interests of the American people even under Obama. Centralized power structures are literally the problem causing every single thing we are talking about, for the most part.
  
  so we DON’T have power
  
  Let’s organize a vote of no-confidence to depose our government because it’s all kinds of fucked up.
  
  No, you don’t manage my feelings, and further, your edits messed with my other comment and made it reset. So I think I get to be annoyed that it cost me an extra 15min of my life trying to tell you stuff that you couldve googled yourself because you’re so geopolitically ignorant.
  
  You edited your initial response to me after posting. I caught your comment before you finished.
  
  Linking me documentaries instead of primary sources does not respect my time.
  
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  - LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Russia has been capable for a decade now and again, has been propped up by China including the use of NK.
    
    Suicide for the human race? Duh. And that’s climate change. They want to reduce the carrying capacity of the earth because they cannot figure out other ways. Already huge catastrophic floods in China. Farming and food will take a hit soon.
    
    Then don’t use it. Just like we have a post office, and UPS. But you need communications to be centralized somewhat lol, that’s how communcation works. You also wouldn’t say anything on there you wouldn’t say in a Town Hall, it would be your official profile. The power structure also wouldn’t be as centralized as regular social media- that’s why you can sue and demand things, based on constitution and bill of rights and other laws. That means you actually have ppwer over it.
    
    There’s no legal way for us to depose the government or even to suggest to depose the government. I would never organize to depose the government.
    
    Linking me documentaries instead of primary sources does not respect my time.
    
    Repsect your time? How about respect your blatant ignorance? Complicated topics cannot be summarized in a Tweet or Lemmy post, they take time like books, long form media, or yes, documentaries and news interviews, gasp. Not everything is so simple, sorry kiddo. And the documentary interviews primary sources like Hillary Clinton and John McCain. The documentary IS a primary source. You’d know that if you’d just watch it. It’s free on Youtube and has been linked. How intellectually pathetic of you, as I suspected you’d be.
    
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    Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I agree with a lot of that but honestly, what is the Russian capability currently to open up a new front anywhere if we are not talking nuclear war?
    
    Sure they’re prepared to waste a lot. But can they waste that much without getting into so severe issues that even their propaganda won’t push through? Oh right, I forget, propaganda is basically for foreign states and domestically you can just use threats of violence and arrests.
    
    Also “carrying capacity” is a poor way to talk about bad infrastructure.
    
    The world isn’t full. It’s built wrong.
    
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    M1ch431@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Russia has been capable for a decade now and again, has been propped up by China including the use of NK.
    
    Disagree. Russia will see a coup or revolution before a proper war. They have utterly failed against Ukraine, it’s unbelievable to me how much they have failed. I have been observing the invasion, now and again, from before day 1.
    
    Suicide for the human race? Duh. And that’s climate change.
    
    See my instance. I’m aware. I can say for sure that the oligarchy here in America wants the whole world to perish while they wait it out in their self-sufficient bunkers.
    
    Then don’t use it. Just like we have a post office, and UPS. But you need communications to be centralized somewhat lol, that’s how communcation works. You also wouldn’t say anything on there you wouldn’t say in a Town Hall, it would be your official profile. The power structure also wouldn’t be as centralized as regular social media- that’s why you can sue and demand things, based on constitution and bill of rights and other laws. That means you actually have ppwer over it.
    
    I argue for decentralized, loosely standardized, democratic, socialist structures. The legal system is absolutely and completely busted. I really shouldn’t need to get into that. Hopefully you can agree that the Supreme Court is beyond saving. Your idea is a fantasy, but it’s a nice one if there was any state that truly represented its populace. I do value it though, and even if I call it a fantasy, I like it in theory.
    
    There’s no legal way for us to depose the government or even to suggest to depose the government. I would never organize to depose the government.
    
    Guess we just let Trump destroy the government and install a dictatorship…
    
    I disagree, we do have power. This government is entirely ineffective, even before Trump rose to power, and I’m not going to roll over and lose any semblance of democracy - I’m going to do my best to save democracy with democracy. Hopefully you come to agree at some point. I never imagined to hear you use legality as an excuse. Trump and the current administration are taking a shit on our legislative branch and our laws in a general sense. 77 million voted for Trump. There may be around 290 million citizens. There are approximately 344 million people living in the US. The numbers are there to take back democracy with democracy. I am completely serious.
    
    Complicated topics cannot be summarized in a Tweet or Lemmy post, they take time like books, long form media, or yes, documentaries and news interviews, gasp.
    
    If people in debates are told to source their claims, they provide the direct context, and there is a preference towards direct evidence, primary sources, and specific excerpts.
    
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