Comment on Political discourse

• Klear@quokk.au ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don't care from which side to peel banana

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• NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This will be fun to watch.

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• Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Centrism doesn’t mean sitting on a fence. It means most of the time understanding that both sides are right and wrong at the same time, I often see the problem identified right but the solution prescribed absolutely incorrectly.

  Here are some centrist positions.

  We need to stop unfettered immigration, so closing the borders is great, locking up and kicking out immigrants who have committed legal offenses is good, and we should expedite that process but we shouldn’t be kidnapping or profiling people. We shouldn’t be giving economic assistance to illegal immigrants. I know it doesn’t happen at the federal level but it does happen at the state level.

  Banning guns won’t solve the violence problem, guns don’t kill people people kill people. American violence is caused by inequality and lack of mental healthcare. Solve that instead of taking guns away.

  We should have higher taxes, universal healthcare and stronger safety nets but also much less regulation because most of it is actually designed to protect the incumbent corporations. Free the markets as much as possible, but never bail out a single corporation that fails, bail out the employees.

  Increasing the minimum wage does nothing.

  Instead of relying on underpaid immigrant labor the US should stop giving cash and tax subsidies to farmers and instead directly subsidize their wages by paying the employees directly. This is my middle of the road solution, we should actually consider nationalization of farms. One of the few things where that could work right now because I think nationalization in general leads to terrible mismanagement. But farms are already inefficient, corrupt and mismanaged and also living on the government tits so we might as well.

  Justifying things as “scientific” when the science is social science and the results are not reproducible is intellectually dishonest, and is rampant in discourse about various topics nowadays. The academia brought upon themselves the mistrust they have garnered. This is good because universities have become job training centers and they were never meant to be that, so maybe we’re due for a little creative destruction.

  I could continue, but I got shit to do.

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  • Tippy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So you’re leaving the US, considering you’re an illegal immigrant here right? I mean, unless you’re indigenous it seems pretty illegal for you to claim any right to live here and boot others out. See the issue with saying people are illegal?

    “Living on the governments tit” is straight up right-winger bullshit. We pay taxes, why the fuck should the government hoard that money and use it on shit that doesn’t benefit the people? That is the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of a government, to pool resources and skills to better society as a whole.

    You think science is bullshit and that higher education should be “creatively” destroyed. How you think that isn’t fascism is some serious mental gymnastics.

    You could continue, but you know your viewpoint is hard right and you’re too cowardly to stick around and defend your bullshit because your fragile fee-fees will be hurt.

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    • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      "Living on the governments tit" is straight up right-winger bullshit. We pay taxes, why the fuck should the government hoard that money and use it on shit that doesn't benefit the people? That is the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of a government, to pool resources and skills to better society as a whole.

      True on your other points, but here they're saying the money should be given to employees rather than employers. That's not rightwing at all; it's leftwing if anything.

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      • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Exactly. I think government and corporations exist to generate wealth to benefit society. Right now it exists to benefit corporations.

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      • Tippy@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Sure, that had a semblance of socialism and rational thought to it, but the fact that they spin it as a negative and imply that the government shouldn’t be funding social welfare is pretty clear in showing that they’re too ignorant to actually understand what socialism is.

        Ironic, considering that right-wingers more than any other group rely on sucking the governments tit to survive day to day

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    • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Free open borders doesn’t work unless everyone, literally everyone is working on the same legal framework . This could be good long term project for humanity but as it stands right now now, national divisions matter. You can’t have people that weren’t born here overwhelming our nation and getting aid when our own people are suffering economic hardship. The problem with people like you is that you want everything now, and that’s not possible except through extreme violence and often ends up not solving the problems. I would love to be able to remake the system from the top down, but we know that never ends right.

      I don’t think science is bullshit, I think non reroducible experiments are not science. I love science, but the social sciences in the present exist in the same stage of development as medicine was in the Middle Ages. This is a provable fact. Universities need to be centers of knowledge again and not job training centers.

      Like someone pointed out, I said corporations are living off the government tit, that’s a fact. I would prefer if the tit was feeding us instead. I think I made it very clear that I’m pro social safety nets.

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      • Tippy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        1. Our nation is not overwhelmed with immigrants stealing our jobs and resources, as much as fox news has convinced you that is the case. It’s in fact fascists and capitalists doing that, not that I expect you understand the difference between the working class and capiltalist class.The problem with you people, to use your phrasing, is you think there are MS13 members on every block shooting Americans and taking their paychecks, but “the left” is covering it up.

        2. You keep saying there are studies and provable facts showing science is fake. Let’s see it, show us your peer reviewed sources showing us how fake science is.

        3. You did not say corporations. You said farms. Should I quote it back to you? Here: “But farms are already inefficient, corrupt, and mismanaged and also living on the government tits”. No coincidence that the Trump regime says the same shit and is cutting agriculture funding and instead lining billionaire pockets, which brings us back to point one. Though I’d imagine you think the leftist immigrants are also the CEOs

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  • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We need to stop unfettered immigration, so closing the borders is great, locking up and kicking out immigrants who have committed legal offenses is good, and we should expedite that process but we shouldn’t be kidnapping or profiling people.

    This is literally what modern fascism is made of. It always starts with "expediting the process" and "immigrants who committed legal offenses," but these terms are so malleable that you will relatively soon end up at the kidnapping and profiling stage. And let's not get into how so-called "unfettered immigration" (which is actually pretty fettered when you look at the process) harms exactly nobody if handled properly, as many examples (e.g. Germany) show.

    but also much less regulation because most of it is actually designed to protect the incumbent corporations.

    What kind of regulation do you want gone?

    Justifying things as “scientific” when the science is social science and the results are not reproducible is intellectually dishonest, and is rampant in discourse about various topics nowadays.

    Social science is science and underpins many aspects of modern society such as urban design. Do you have an example of this in action?

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    • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Fascism has an established definition. Hell there’s a literal manifesto

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  • BaroqueInMind@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Everything you said here i agree with, yet none of this shit you said is centrist

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    • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨23⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Then what is it? Because it sure as fuck doesn’t sound right wing but someone just called me right wing because I agree in some points with MAGA. 🤣

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  • ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Literal fascism and/or communism

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    • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I identify as a fascist communist that leans libertarian

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• jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That’s still an oversimplification. In reality political opinion varies across a spectrum; it’s not just hard left, hard right, or no opinion. My own views for example are a little left of centre with a leaning towards liberty (i.e. away from authoritarian). So of course I get called a nazi by the hard left, and a tankie by the hard right, both of which are utter nonsense.

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  • sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You’re not wrong. But in your meme you painted all the people calling for civil war as extremes when for a while it was a pretty average sentiment among the right for decades. They were just doing it more quietly twenty years ago

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