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• Shareni@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Quite good, if you avoid the fact it’s literally everywhere including the atmosphere, doesn’t break down, and causes cancer. But who cares about such little things like cancer causing rain…

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  • Mr_Fish@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Again, that’s from getting it to stick to things. The smaller PTFE chemicals that make it possible to suspend Teflon in water are the problem.

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    • Rooskie91@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Teflon is the brand name for for the chemical Polytetrafluoroethylene (PTFE). Making PTFE requires PFAS, which are the toxic part. Think of PFAS as little bits of chain varying lengths that get strung together to make the larger PTFE molecule.

      The argument you’re making sounds similar to something like “Fossil Fuels are safe, it’s just the CO2 that’s dangerous.” PFAS contaminated water being released to the environment is an unavoidable by produce of making Teflon. You can only make Teflon as a solid without suspending the PFAS in water first.

      Here’s a pretty good video about the history, manufacturing process, and toxicity.

      youtu.be/SC2eSujzrUY

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      • Rednax@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        There is one important note: you won’t get cancer from the Teflon in your pans. You get it from the PFAS used to produce the pans. This means you don’t have to throw out all your pans, as if they were made from lead and asbestos. Just make sure not to buy new ones with Teflon.

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      • ExFed@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        The argument you’re making sounds similar to something like “Fossil Fuels are safe, it’s just the CO2 that’s dangerous.”

        I didn’t read it that way at all. Their argument sounds more like “there’s nuance that you’re glossing over.”

        It seems that we all agree PFAS are generally nasty chemicals, some worse than others. Teflon (polytetrafluoroethylene) is just one of the “nicer” ones.

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    • BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s also what makes it cheap. Making Teflon other ways is much more expensive.

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    • Shareni@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s releasing a high amount of micro and nano plastics, and those are linked to different health issues including cancer.

      www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0048969724027232

      our findings suggest that PTFE-MPs-associated toxicity may be specifically linked to the activation of the ERK pathway, which ultimately induces oxidative stress and inflammation.

      pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37419366/

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  • Zerush@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Teflon itself is inert, but it’s also not needed to avoid that food sticks in a pan. In a good prepared Steel pan food sticks less than in a Teflon pan and is way more resistant to damages. The food sticks in the pan, if you don’t wait to add the food until it’s heated enough, not for other reasons, mistake often don by normal users. Professional cooks never use Teflon pans.

    Preparing a Steel pan non-stick

    Clean the pan after buy it Heat the pan on the kitchen until it change the color Add some oil and heat somewhat more After this, wait until i’s cold enough and distribute and eliminate the oil film over the whole surface with an kitchen paper. Done

    After this, to fry something, add a little oil and wait until the oil has enough heat (test with the handle of a wood spoon, if it forms little bubbles on it in the oil, the temperature is OK), to add the food. It will never stick this way.

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    • Shareni@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Teflon itself is inert

      About that

      our findings suggest that PTFE-MPs-associated toxicity may be specifically linked to the activation of the ERK pathway, which ultimately induces oxidative stress and inflammation.

      pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37419366/

      Steel/iron > teflon for sure though.

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  • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Teflon, on it’s own is safe, the problem are the chemicals used to produce it.

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    • Shareni@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Read the rest of my comments…

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  • Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Teflon doesn’t cause cancer.

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    • Shareni@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It’s releasing a high amount of micro and nano plastics, and those are linked to different health issues including cancer.

      www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0048969724027232

      our findings suggest that PTFE-MPs-associated toxicity may be specifically linked to the activation of the ERK pathway, which ultimately induces oxidative stress and inflammation.

      pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37419366/

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      • Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Oxidative stress and inflammation is cancer?

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    • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I mean, it might… but we haven’t shown it does.

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      • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        teflon itself is proved safe. its production is what’s causing all the problems.

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    • Midnitte@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Modern teflon, sure.

      But there’s a reason its no longer made with PFOA.

      Studies have looked at cancer rates in people living near or working in PFOA-related chemical plants. Some of these studies have suggested an increased risk of testicular cancer and kidney cancer with increased PFOA exposure. Studies have also suggested a possible link to thyroid cancer, but the increases in risk have been small and could have been due to chance. - Source

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• ryedaft@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  In Denmark there was until very recently a factory doing something with teflon. That shit got launched out the chimney and just rained down everywhere.

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  • whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    free of charge?

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    • FlordaMan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Nah, Dupont invoiced everyone.

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      • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        monsanto tactics

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  • Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah, every factory that does “something” with Teflon probably wants to stick it to things, which are the problematic chemicals, not Teflon itself.

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• Midnitte@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  In the same way Asbestos is a great material, just one small problem

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  • Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Asbestos itself is toxic. Teflon is inert.

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  • fckreddit@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Asbestos makes for a great cigarette filter material, though.

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    • Midnitte@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It is certainly… impactful for your lungs.

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  • Mambert@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    We are too weak for the miracle of asbestos.

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