The word you’re looking for is “artificial insemination” and it does not equate to rape.
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Genius@lemmy.zip 1 day agoCows produce more milk if they’re forcibly impregnated every year. Supporting cow milk is supporting rape, this is a fact.
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 day ago
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 1 day ago
Alright then c’mon over buddy I’ll get the turkey baster ready
I’m not even vegan but wtf is this logic
Genius@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
So putting semen up a vagina without consent isn’t rape?
theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 1 day ago
So putting semen up a vagina
without consentisn’t rape?The concept of consent does not apply for livestock. And yes, in the context of artificially inseminating livestock, that is correct.
Genius@lemmy.zip 16 hours ago
In what context? Animals? Are you saying a guy sticking his dick in his pet dog is a situation without any consent problems?
blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 18 hours ago
So you are saying rape doesn’t exist in a slavery context.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 hours ago
The concept of consent does not apply for livestock in this context.
The concept of human rights does not apply for when I shove a boot up your ass after you’re done licking the dairy industry’s.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 hours ago
Ok buddy, explain to me the difference between artificial insemination and rape.
I’ll wait
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 15 hours ago
I am sure laws vary by country, but going with laws here…
One is done with a glorified Turkey baster to livestock. The other with your penis to a woman.
Are we seriously comparing women to livestock here? But even AI to a human woman would be sexual assault, not rape.
MrSmith@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Adding “This is a fact” doesn’t make it a fact, sadly. Unless you’re in the US.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
yeah, we just let the bull do his thing and the family dairy worked fine until we sold it in the 90s. where you getting your info because I lived it?
Genius@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
!=rape. sorry.
Genius@lemmy.zip 5 hours ago
Forced impregnation isn’t rape, forced labour isn’t slavery, and forced death isn’t murder with you carnists. What else, war is peace and ignorance is strength? We’ve always been at war with eastasia?
stratoscaster@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Look, I don’t disagree with your point necessarily, but you’re not winning over literally anyone in this thread. It’s just not happening.
Nobody ever has been convinced that dairy is rape and meat is murder by some Lemmy user saying “dairy is rape” and following up with “because it is”.
Most obviously, your primary argument is consequentialism, which many people just don’t see as a valid form of ethics. Many people subscribe to deontology instead, and so they don’t see it as rape because they are not obtaining sexual gratification from artificial insemination or drinking milk.
Genius@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
You’re telling me motive makes a bad thing okay to do under deontology? In other words, it’s okay for a deontologist to murder someone if they have a cool motive?
I dunno I thought Kant said you should never do bad things even if you have a good reason.
stratoscaster@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Imo, Kant’s principles don’t really apply in this scenario, the Categorical Imperative applies to human-to-human treatment. Kant’s primary principle is act as such it would become universal law. Animal consumption is already a universal law.
Murder (of a human) is wrong because when applied universally, then society collapses. Theft is wrong because when applied universally, the right of property, and therefore society, collapses.
Animal consumption doesn’t cause societal collapse.
Thoughts?
Genius@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
Animal consumption causes factory farming, and farming causes chickens to develop stress-induced autophagia. I don’t like it when the chickens are so unhappy they eat themselves and need to be debeaked. We should all stop doing things that cause that.