statistically Americans pay twice as much in insurance and taxes as Europeans pay in just taxes for healthcare
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Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
You’re paying for a service. How much of your paycheck are they taking anyway? Mine is less than 5%. $70 a week. It’s not a whole lot.
JimmyMemes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
When I hear that I also think of Canada and their massively overwhelmed healthcare system.
uranibaba@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Are you saying that people should die instead of of being treated, when a treatment is possible, just because they cannot afford it?
Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I’m referencing Canadas MAID law that has become an absolute disaster causing or allowing the medical system to recommend suicide for those with solvable problems instead of solving those problems.
ysjet@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Because the same chucklefucks that keep pushing to provatise insurance even harder in the US are defunding Canadian health systems so 1. It can’t be used as an argument against privatisation and 2. They can go ‘look at how badly this works, we should provatise Canadian healthcare!’
They create the problem with Canadian healthcare, and then offer a solution that puts half the money in their own pocket.
IHaveTwoCows@lemm.ee 8 months ago
It’d be a shaame if somebody fucked up the hugher education system so nobody can afford to become doctors and fill that void…or if radical fascist talk shows were given all of the airwaves and told everyone that all doctors were crooks and killers
Caradoc879@lemmy.world 8 months ago
OK Boomer
SuperIce@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What about the money your company pays for the healthcare? I only see ~$350 a year deducted from my paycheck to pay for my insurance, but according to my W2, my employer pays another $8,000 per year to the insurance company. You’re paying a lot more for your health insurance than you see on your paychecks.
Asafum@feddit.nl 8 months ago
So many fucking people fight me on this…
The company sees your benefits as part of your total compensation. They factor all of it in when considering your “value.” If they weren’t paying the insurance they’d need to pay you more to maintain a level of competitiveness that they claim the benefits add… Not to mention if everyone working paid a healthcare tax there’s no way in fucking hell it would be $1,200+ a month like it currently is… Not to mention eliminating the need for profits which add to the costs…
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Ever had to fight with an insurance company?
whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I have insurance. I went to urgent care when I was pretty sure I had the flu or COVID or something about a year ago (just slightly before COVID was declared “over.”) I paid my copay for doctors office visit, I was in there for about an hour, with roughly 40 minutes of that sitting in a room waiting for a doctor (in an empty clinic) and then had a flu test and a COVID test.
They still sent me to collections for $350 for this visit. I pay a stupid amount for insurance, which my employer subsidizes, and I still can’t even get a fucking flu/COVID test apparently.
For profit health insurance in America is evil. It is easily one of the most fucked up things about this country that we just absolutely ignore.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Sorry you had to deal with that.
whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Thanks. I mean, I’m fine. I’m sorry that this is the reality for the simplest of things in this country.
penquin@lemm.ee 8 months ago
How is your deductible and max out of pocket? You don’t count that? Lol I don’t run into too many people who say anything good about our healthcare scam system.
DJDarren@thelemmy.club 8 months ago
I guess I pay a similar amount as you; around £230 a month in National Insurance. According to XE that’s about $280.
And yeah, that’s not a bad amount to cover any medical needs I might have.
The difference is that, by and large, that’s all I pay. If I got hit by a car tomorrow, I wouldn’t get charged a penny for the paramedic, for the equipment they use to help me, for the ambulance to take me to hospital, for the doctors and nurses who patch me up, and for all the physio, medications and aftercare I’ll need.
I’ll pay ~£10 per prescription, but if I develop a chronic, life threatening condition, that fee will be waived. If I don’t, then I can pay a flat annual fee of £110 and receive as many prescriptions as I need.
Also, my National Insurance contributions (theoretically) ensure that when I reach retirement age I’ll be able to receive a state pension.
The NHS is something that I’ll fight tooth and nail to keep, and you guys in the US should be fighting for your own version of it.
Candybar121@lemmy.world 8 months ago
i wonder how many people will live through their whole lives without ever needing to use the insurance they pay for anyway.
TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Paying for a service that most of the rest of the world decided should already be covered.
Redrum714@lemm.ee 8 months ago
You do realized you still pay for your healthcare via taxes in those nations right?
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
Sure, although they pay far less and have better outcomes.
Redrum714@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I live in the US and pay less than a lot of European nations so that’s not true.
Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
It’s getting paid from somewhere, by someone. Doctors aren’t just suddenly free because they have universal healthcare.
TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I didn’t say they would be. But to pretend American healthcare makes sense is beyond absurd. Workers are already taxed to fund Medicare/-aid (which we can’t access), then we’re also expected to pay private insurance premiums. The best part is that’s de minimis! All that gets you is a pass to get in the door.
Then you have to pay co-pays and coinsurance, and possibly your deductible. We pay SIGNIFICANTLY more than our peers in the wider world for no reason other than greed.
papabobolious@feddit.nu 8 months ago
You pay more per week in case you have a medical emergency than I pay per year for literal medical emergencies. You pay more in a month for just having insurance than I paid for a 10 day hospital stay, completely uninsured.
mojo@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Yeah I just pay like $36 a month or so and my copays are $35, or $75 if a specialist.
ratman150@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
So nearly 300$ a month for…what exactly? To be denied life saving treatment?
Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Even if you have no insurance, they will not deny you life-saving treatments.
ickplant@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It happens all the time. You’re thinking of emergency life-saving treatment. They won’t let you bleed out on the hospital steps. But insurance denies necessary care for chronically ill people because it’s deemed unnecessary by them.
Just one example
Caradoc879@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Not on paper, but they absolutely fucking will in person. They’ll tell you your fine, they’ll tell you the wrong thing, and then they put off your appointments and then your dead.
Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
They have a duty of care. The doctors are not administration. Administration cares about profits. The doctors just get paid regardless.
Redrum714@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Don’t bring logic into these comments
bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They didn’t though…