How can someone be a moral person if they only act out morally out of fear of a gods wrath?
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Flax_vert@feddit.uk 21 hours agoHow can something be morally wrong if there is no God?
Kickforce@europe.pub 14 hours ago
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 9 hours ago
You can also act morally out of love for God. A moral act is a moral act regardless of intention. The alternative is no morality at all. And in that case, you’re either following the law out of love for your state and/or fellow human, or because you don’t want to be sent to prison for breaking the law.
splendoruranium@infosec.pub 5 hours ago
The alternative is no morality at all. And in that case, you’re either following the law out of love for your state and/or fellow human, or because you don’t want to be sent to prison for breaking the law.
You’re going in a circle there. If individually define moral action as “an action that cannot be derived from anything but some kind of supernatural being”, then yeah, you can dismiss anything else on normative grounds. But then what’s the point of asking “How can something be morally wrong if there is no God?”?
Kickforce@europe.pub 3 hours ago
If there is no god there is no other responsibility than your own. No destiny or gods plan to hide behind, no comfort that people who suffer now will have a better place to go to when they die. You either act like a decent person now or you mess up the only chance people have at a nice life. Once you accept that, there is only the choice to help others or at least minimise the damage you cause just by being there. People who would not realise that on their own won’t improve with religion. They are the kind that would only use religion to judge others and decide the infidels lives don’t matter.
There is enough humanist morality that does not include god and a lot of pretty decent morality that comes from non Christian philisophy or religion. If you want religious people who really act good look at the Sikh. If you want a set of humanist morality rules that have nothing to do with the christian god look at the tenets of the satanic temple.
The Satanic Temple has seven fundamental tenets:
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one’s own.
Beliefs should conform to one’s best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one’s beliefs.
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one’s best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 17 hours ago
I don’t need a god to tell me hurting people is bad.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 15 hours ago
What if someone else does?
JackbyDev@programming.dev 14 hours ago
If someone else tells me it’s wrong to hurt people I would agree.
Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Because morality exists independently of any diety figure. It is ultimately a set of ideas about what constitutes good conduct between humans and the environment around them.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 15 hours ago
So why does one Humans moral code matter more than another
Semester3383@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Why do you believe that it does?
Look mate, we’re a cosmic blip. On the scale of the universe, we don’t even register. We’re born, we live, we die, and on the scale of how long the universe has existed, it’s not even a blink. The universe is about 13,900,000,000 years old. The first single-cell organisms emerged about 3,500,000,000 years ago. Humans, in our current form, have only existed for a mere 300,000 years. Our sun will turn into a red giant in about 5,000,000,000 years, which will sterilize the surface of the earth, but it won’t matter to humans, because we will have evolved into an entirely different species and almost certainly have gone completely extinct billions of years before that happens.
NOTHING we do matters to the universe. There is nothing we can do that will affect the course of the entire universe. Any belief to the contrary is simply terror management. So how could one moral code, in the grand scheme of the universe, matter more than any other?
What makes you believe, aside from your attempts to manage your terror of non-existence, that any of your morality matters at all?
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 9 hours ago
What makes you believe, aside from your attempts to manage your terror of non-existence, that any of your morality matters at all?
Because I believe that the moral code I follow was authored by a Creator higher than the universe.
If you’re an atheist, morality simply is just a suggestion.
AngryRobot@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Do you think only the religious can be moral? That morality only comes from religion? That people cant simply respect others’ lives and live their licpvss according to a moral code?
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 15 hours ago
No. We are inbuilt with a moral code by God. However, people can desensitise themselves to things or lie to themselves. This is why you need a moral code given by God. You cannot have an moral code without God.
AngryRobot@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
We are inbuilt with a moral code by God.
This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read.
bollybing@lemmynsfw.com 11 hours ago
If you believe that an omnipotent God designed everything to be exactly how it is, then its a perfectly logical statement. But then you also have to accept that God gives kids cancer.
Semester3383@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Why do you assume that a god is necessary for morality? What led you to this conclusion? What falsifiable evidence do you have?
socsa@piefed.social 20 hours ago
Because my god can beat up your god.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 19 hours ago
Who is your god?
socsa@piefed.social 19 hours ago
Obviously the one true God.
Birch@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
And his name is…
JOHN CENA 🎺🎺 🎺
J52@lemmy.nz 12 hours ago
Because ethics, compassion, love, etc aren’t dependant on religion, they’re basic human values.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 9 hours ago
According to who?
pokexpert30@jlai.lu 7 hours ago
Instinct. Which is a pretty word to say “évolution etched this in our brain as moral people tend to survive longer”