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JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  How can something be morally wrong if there is no God?

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  • J52@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Because ethics, compassion, love, etc aren’t dependant on religion, they’re basic human values.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      they’re basic human values.

      According to who?

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      • pokexpert30@jlai.lu ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Instinct. Which is a pretty word to say “évolution etched this in our brain as moral people tend to survive longer”

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  • Kickforce@europe.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    How can someone be a moral person if they only act out morally out of fear of a gods wrath?

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You can also act morally out of love for God. A moral act is a moral act regardless of intention. The alternative is no morality at all. And in that case, you’re either following the law out of love for your state and/or fellow human, or because you don’t want to be sent to prison for breaking the law.

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      • splendoruranium@infosec.pub ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The alternative is no morality at all. And in that case, you’re either following the law out of love for your state and/or fellow human, or because you don’t want to be sent to prison for breaking the law.

        You’re going in a circle there. If individually define moral action as “an action that cannot be derived from anything but some kind of supernatural being”, then yeah, you can dismiss anything else on normative grounds. But then what’s the point of asking “How can something be morally wrong if there is no God?”?

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  • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I don’t need a god to tell me hurting people is bad.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      What if someone else does?

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      • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        If someone else tells me it’s wrong to hurt people I would agree.

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  • Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Because morality exists independently of any diety figure. It is ultimately a set of ideas about what constitutes good conduct between humans and the environment around them.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      So why does one Humans moral code matter more than another

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      • Semester3383@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Why do you believe that it does?

        Look mate, we’re a cosmic blip. On the scale of the universe, we don’t even register. We’re born, we live, we die, and on the scale of how long the universe has existed, it’s not even a blink. The universe is about 13,900,000,000 years old. The first single-cell organisms emerged about 3,500,000,000 years ago. Humans, in our current form, have only existed for a mere 300,000 years. Our sun will turn into a red giant in about 5,000,000,000 years, which will sterilize the surface of the earth, but it won’t matter to humans, because we will have evolved into an entirely different species and almost certainly have gone completely extinct billions of years before that happens.

        NOTHING we do matters to the universe. There is nothing we can do that will affect the course of the entire universe. Any belief to the contrary is simply terror management. So how could one moral code, in the grand scheme of the universe, matter more than any other?

        What makes you believe, aside from your attempts to manage your terror of non-existence, that any of your morality matters at all?

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  • AngryRobot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Do you think only the religious can be moral? That morality only comes from religion? That people cant simply respect others’ lives and live their licpvss according to a moral code?

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      No. We are inbuilt with a moral code by God. However, people can desensitise themselves to things or lie to themselves. This is why you need a moral code given by God. You cannot have an moral code without God.

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      • AngryRobot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        We are inbuilt with a moral code by God.

        This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read.

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      • Semester3383@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Why do you assume that a god is necessary for morality? What led you to this conclusion? What falsifiable evidence do you have?

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  • socsa@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Because my god can beat up your god.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Who is your god?

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      • socsa@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Obviously the one true God.

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