Comment on Does anyone struggle with spending money foolishly on prostitutes?
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 months ago
No, but I was a victim of Christian purity culture that led me to believe exploring my body safely and consensually before marriage was evil. If you don’t want to do this because it’s a money sink or dangerous then you should stop, but don’t think it’s wrong morally unless the prostitutes you’re hiring are victims of sex trafficking.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 months ago
How can something be morally wrong if there is no God?
J52@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
Because ethics, compassion, love, etc aren’t dependant on religion, they’re basic human values.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 months ago
According to who?
pokexpert30@jlai.lu 2 months ago
Instinct. Which is a pretty word to say “évolution etched this in our brain as moral people tend to survive longer”
J52@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
According to those understanding what it means to be human.
Kickforce@europe.pub 2 months ago
How can someone be a moral person if they only act out morally out of fear of a gods wrath?
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 months ago
You can also act morally out of love for God. A moral act is a moral act regardless of intention. The alternative is no morality at all. And in that case, you’re either following the law out of love for your state and/or fellow human, or because you don’t want to be sent to prison for breaking the law.
splendoruranium@infosec.pub 2 months ago
You’re going in a circle there. If individually define moral action as “an action that cannot be derived from anything but some kind of supernatural being”, then yeah, you can dismiss anything else on normative grounds. But then what’s the point of asking “How can something be morally wrong if there is no God?”?
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 months ago
I don’t need a god to tell me hurting people is bad.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 months ago
What if someone else does?
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 months ago
If someone else tells me it’s wrong to hurt people I would agree.
Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Because morality exists independently of any diety figure. It is ultimately a set of ideas about what constitutes good conduct between humans and the environment around them.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 months ago
So why does one Humans moral code matter more than another
Semester3383@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why do you believe that it does?
Look mate, we’re a cosmic blip. On the scale of the universe, we don’t even register. We’re born, we live, we die, and on the scale of how long the universe has existed, it’s not even a blink. The universe is about 13,900,000,000 years old. The first single-cell organisms emerged about 3,500,000,000 years ago. Humans, in our current form, have only existed for a mere 300,000 years. Our sun will turn into a red giant in about 5,000,000,000 years, which will sterilize the surface of the earth, but it won’t matter to humans, because we will have evolved into an entirely different species and almost certainly have gone completely extinct billions of years before that happens.
NOTHING we do matters to the universe. There is nothing we can do that will affect the course of the entire universe. Any belief to the contrary is simply terror management. So how could one moral code, in the grand scheme of the universe, matter more than any other?
What makes you believe, aside from your attempts to manage your terror of non-existence, that any of your morality matters at all?
AngryRobot@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Do you think only the religious can be moral? That morality only comes from religion? That people cant simply respect others’ lives and live their licpvss according to a moral code?
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 months ago
No. We are inbuilt with a moral code by God. However, people can desensitise themselves to things or lie to themselves. This is why you need a moral code given by God. You cannot have an moral code without God.
AngryRobot@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read.
Semester3383@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why do you assume that a god is necessary for morality? What led you to this conclusion? What falsifiable evidence do you have?
socsa@piefed.social 2 months ago
Because my god can beat up your god.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Who is your god?
socsa@piefed.social 2 months ago
Obviously the one true God.
jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 2 months ago
If you need a god to tell right from wrong then you might be a psychopath.
flamingos@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Because God must use some criteria to assess if something is morally right or not, otherwise morality would be arbitrary (see the Euthyphro dilemma). These criteria can exist without God, therefore morality can exist without God.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 months ago
God has His own endorsed criteria. If there’s no God to endorse the criteria, the criteria holds no weight. Good action is good because it is loved by God.
flamingos@feddit.uk 2 months ago
You’ve just moved some words around. God must have reasons for thinking something is good, otherwise goodness would be arbitrary. You can argue that god is only one who can know those reasons/criteria, but I don’t think there’s a good argument that these reasons/criteria can’t exist without them.
remon@ani.social 2 months ago
Morals only exist by consensus. If enough people agree something is moral, it practically is. They are an idea, not something that actually exists in nature.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 months ago
So if nazis were to take over and start making these horrible morals, and people follow them, it’ll be okay?
remon@ani.social 2 months ago
Depends on who you ask. If you ask the Nazis they’ll say it’s ok. The people they took over would probably disagree.