Yeah I still think she should be charged with child endangerment though because you never leave kids that young (too young apparently to open the door and leave) alone unattended, especially for that long.
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Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
She has pleaded not guilty to all charges and is being held in lieu of $1,080,000 bail,
My initial thought for this was “How do you plea Not Guilty willfully leaving two children in a car for 90 minutes.” but then I found this later on
However, her 2022 Toyota Corolla Hybrid is equipped with an automatic feature that turns the engine off if it has been left running for one hour while in park, police said. Police estimate that the engine turned off around 3 p.m. and the children were left without air conditioning until Hernandez returned around 4:30 p.m.
Still super shitty, but also I think change the tone a little. Her expectation was that the car was going to be climate controlled for the procedure. Still stupid of her, and kids shouldn’t be left alone that long, but it defo let me understand the “not guilty” plea
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Scrollone@feddit.it 1 day ago
…and especially in a running car.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I’m emphasizing that even if she had left them.in her home for that long, it is wrong. Obviously it is worse because of the car
Raiderkev@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Even if it weren’t for the car turning itself off, the car could overheat idling in the heat. Hybrids are not immune from that. I own one and had it happen while idling because my kid was napping and I stayed in the car with him in the driveway of the house. I was in the car, and noticed the AC suddenly got hot. I turned the car off and noticed the pool of coolant under the car. I woke up the kid, and went inside and ordered a radiator (which was a bitch to install btw). It’s incredibly negligent to leave your kids in a running car on a hot day. Also, someone could just come in and steal the running car with the kids in it. I hope they throw the book at her tbh.
tal@lemmy.today 1 day ago
I do think that from a UI standpoint, cars either need to support being left in park without the climate control eventually cutting off or be so extremely clear that this will happen that it would be extremely difficult for a user to miss, as this is a legitimate example of a “fail-deadly” feature.
IIRC from reading comments from people who have slept in their car and very much want the ability to leave the climate control system active, at least some Toyota models do support leaving the climate control active for extended periods of time, but the car needs to be in “Ready” mode. It was not immediately obvious to users that this was the case.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I own the same car, and it does tell you the car will turn off after an hour. As soon as the door is opened, you get a “car will automatically turn off after one hour. Do you want to disable this” type of message. It also pings you with the same message in the app.
stinerman@midwest.social 1 day ago
You always plead guilty when arraigned. That gives your lawyer time to make a deal with the prosecutor.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 14 hours ago
IANAL but isn’t that the purpose of a “no contest” plea? Its a plea somewhere between guilty and not-guilty without the bad look of pleading not-guilty on something you’re obviously guilty of
stinerman@midwest.social 14 hours ago
You’re always allowed to change your plea. You should not plea to anything (in fact you shouldn’t talk to the cops at all) until you’ve discussed your situation with your lawyer.
Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 1 day ago
She she parked at about 2, car turned off at about 3, she came back at about 4.30. She left a 1 year old and a 2 year old alone in public for 2.5 hours.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Exactly. Even if it was 68F outside, it’s still extreme negligence.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Correct yea, the 90 minute timeframe was without AC.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 day ago
And that assumes the AC didn’t crap out earlier because it was left idling in ridiculous heat. The system is not designed to be idled that long, and the cooling systems assume the car is moving for most of the time it’s on. (Both the engine and the cabin ac here.)
Even if the car didn’t turn off automatically, it’s still dangerous and in the “extremely stupid” degrees of negligence.
Pika@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Firmly agree with the statement that it was irresponsible because yes it was regardless.
However, disagree with the statement that a climate control system is not meant to be operated while idle. That is an old myth that I expect came from back when there was fewer electrical components in the car so not turning the ac /off/ before turning the vehicle off would risk damaging the cars electrical.
To a vehicle’s climate control system it doesn’t give a damn if it’s driving or idle. Now, while being idle, you have less fuel efficiency, And if you don’t have the engine running, it will drain more battery than needed, which will make your battery less efficient. But as for actual wear and tear on the components, running it at idle is almost no difference than whether you’re driving with it on.
Again, though, didn’t claim it wasn’t irresponsible either way, But it’s highly unlikely that Climate system would have failed if the vehicle had stayed on.
curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
The 1yr old and 2 yr old were left alone in a car, for 90 minutes.
This was negligience long before a child died.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 14 hours ago
Also you’re supposed to wait a full year before becoming pregnant again after having a kid so your body can heal and re-normalize. Having kids that close together is hell for parenting and hell for your body