I hear you, the issue for me is that a third of your country people voted for the cunt, another third didn’t care enough not to vote against the cunt, which leaves a large majority of Americans complicit in this - enough in my view to effectively use the term as a blanket reference to most people in the country.
Speaking on a more granular level, I wish you well and the best of luck - but the majority of your population can go fuck themselves.
A third did not vote for him. The popular vote was something like 51 to 48, which is insanely close. And a record number of people didn't even vote.
It's more like 1/6 voted for the asshole, and then the dems gave up the win before the night even ended.
Not voting was tacitly supporting Trump.
A good chunk of Kamala’s platform was also actively supporting Trump.
Anything to justify your bad decisions…
I voted for Kamala Harris. Never liked that orange fuck.
Bombing Iran and letting Israel dictate American foreign policy are two things with strong bipartisan support.
Hillary Clinton campaigned in 2008 on the promise to bomb Iran. Biden couldnt even bring it over himself to enforce a demand for Israel to no starve Gaza to death and let Netanyahu humiliate him in public multiple times. And Biden/Clintons are the ultimate Democrats establishment.
A lot of people didn’t vote for him. A lot of people didn’t vote for democrat either. A growing number of people are voting for third parties now. Not enough to sway the vote, but enough to make a statement.
I think, in my lifetime, we will see a third party finally elected. The leading parties just aren’t cutting it anymore.
Yeah, the 3rd party voters are complicit in Trump’s actions, as are those who didn’t vote in protest.
When one candidate straight up says they’ll be a dictator on day one, anything but voting against them is supporting their actions.
When one candidate straight up says they’ll be a dictator on day one, anything but voting against them is supporting their actions.
Say it louder for those in the back plugging their ears and saying both sides are the same.
Very clear explanation for xenophobia, no notes.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Don’t think for a second we dont have a strong flood emotions when we see the 66% of Americans who are a complete drain on the people around them face consequences for their actions. The fact is, it doesnt happen nearly enough and it never changes anything.
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Has it ever crossed anyone’s mind, that those of that didn’t vote, was usually because we didn’t approve of either candidate?
I never approved of orange baby, plain and simple.
Kamala was cool though, looking to help people and not deceive them, and I just might have voted for her.
But even though I have no problem with a female president, she would have too many world stage problems with countries and groups that don’t respect women at all.
So, seeing both as a risk, why would I have voted for either? Like, why did Pete Buttiguieg drop out?
That’s the real question, what forces in play made my dude Pete drop out? I sure as hell would have voted for him!
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Boo. Boo this man.
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What a wonderful response, objecting against someone that would have actually voted if Pete would have stayed in the running.
Like, why is it always a heads/tails coin decision?
And what the fuck is up with the Electoral College?
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Christ, do they not teach the trolley problem anymore?
“Has it ever crossed anyone’s mind that I didn’t want the 5 guys on the main track or the 1 guy on the side track to die?”
Duh. That’s the point. You act and feel guilty about a small bad thing, or do nothing and feel guilty and a big bad thing. We got the big bad ending, feel guilty.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
It pisses me off this, for political point scoring, abusive misapplication of this specific philosophical question to a situation which does not at all match the criteria for it.
This is not a trolley problem because:
Portraying this as a trolley problem is misleading and manipulative.
The closest philosophical or game theory example to an election is a cyclical “Ultimatum Game” between voters and politicians only it’s in the best interest of politicians that people don’t see it that way (as they would start punishing politicians for not dividing the pie in a way that favors people enough) so instead their propaganda has pushed for decades this falacy that it’s an “trolley problem” (and it’s companion, the idea that people must “chose the lesser evil”).
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It’s honestly quite funny and downright sad that you would quote the trolley problem. There’s a reason it’s brought up in ethics courses. The whole point of the trolley problem is that there is no correct solution to it. Different ethical systems arrive at different conclusions. But here you are, going, “fuck how it’s actually used, I’ve decided the trolley problem proves that utilitarian ethics is the correct answer!”
In a utilitarian ethics framework, you would choose to run over the 1 guy or choose to vote for Kamala. In a respect for persons ethical framework, you would take no action and would refuse to vote for either Kamala or Trump.
You’ve completely failed to learn the core lesson of the trolley problem.
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That theory works great in hindsight, but before the election the orange turd was promising to stop wars, not start them.
Sure we all know he’s a liar now, but before the election, going on their campaigns, how could anyone be sure which track would actually have more bodies in the future in that Trolley Problem.
You can’t predict the future, so that’s like presenting the Trolley Problem as if the switch is 10 miles before the tracks split.
capt_wolf@lemmy.world 1 day ago
“I didn’t like either, so I did nothing” is such a bullshit excuse…
Like it or not, we have a two party system. This was the worst possible time for anyone to decide to do nothing. Non-voters are just as complicit in what’s going on now because they chose to do fuck all when it actually mattered… I hope the righteous objection through inaction was worth it, because people are dying as a result now.
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Read my other comment, I tried in 2016, definitely wasn’t going to vote for orange. I never got to see the inside of the voting place.
After waiting around 2 hours, they shut down and cops ordered everyone remaining in line to leave at 8pm. There were probably around 200 people outside still waiting to vote…
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WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
The problem with this line of thinking is that it encourages short-term rather than long-term thinking.
From a purely utilitarian perspective, the absolute good to the absolute greatest number of people - we would have been better off if Trump won in 2020. He would have had another lame duck term in a continuation of an administration where he had a lot of restraining voices in his cabinet. He wouldn’t have had the four years to regroup and come back with an entirely different organizational structure.
A Biden win in 2020 guaranteed a Trump win in 2024. It was eminently predictable and it was widely predicted. Biden wasn’t going to do anything to address the actual causes for Trump winning. Biden was only ever going to be a temporary speed bump to fascism. He simply lacked the character to properly confront a fascist movement. He’s not morally capable of it.
Even if you stick to a purely utilitarian framework, even if you believe that harm minimization is all that mattes, sometimes voting for the lesser of two evils is the option that’s going to get more people killed.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Life is full of decisions that seemingly only have bad options, but one option was clearly drastically worse than the other.
Not voting because you don’t like either candidate despite knowing that one is a crypto fascist with the intention to burn things down is childish and, IMO, means you don’t get to say you’re not responsible for trump.
Your choice in the election is a contributing factor, you don’t get a pass because you sat out. By not voting, you tacitly endorsed trump. It sucks to hear that put in your face, but that’s the same message I had to learn after 2016. I know you won’t like the message here, but I hope you take the lesson to heart and vote for the less awful candidates (assuming we get to have elections again) instead of taking your ball, going home, and letting a Nazi take power.
PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
So when the Padres got knocked out of the World Series last year by the Dodgers I was pissed. I didn’t want to put my support behind a team I didn’t love heart and soul. I felt comfortable doing that because it was a fucking sport trophy that happens every year and not who decided who held the office of the fucking President of the United States. You’re getting downvoted because you’re treating those two scenarios as exactly the same.