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Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• andybytes@programming.dev ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Most charities are just scams. And yeah they might do some good, but charity is a symptom of failure. We are byproduct of our environment.

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• Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Anti-homeless architecture is meant to encourage homeless people to actually go to homeless shelters where they might get help finding affordable housing, not to mention help for whatever issues they have going on in their lives. It’s meant to combat the problem of some homeless people choosing to avoid getting help and continue to bury themselves in drugs/alcohol and sleep on things like public benches, where they prevent other people from using them for their intended purpose.

  There’s nothing wrong with wanting people to get the help they need and stop being an inconvenience for the rest of their community. Are you against homeless outreach programs too? Do you think people should just be allowed to set up shack wherever they please in public spaces? I’m not trying to pretend that the lack of affordable housing isn’t at the core of the problem, but even if we had enough of that, there’d still be mentally ill people and drug addicts that would prefer to live on the street, just to avoid social workers pressuring them to address their problems.

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  • dgmib@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Anti-homeless architecture is meant to encourage homeless people to actually go to homeless shelters

    Umm no… anti-homeless architecture isn’t meant to encourage people to go to homeless shelters, it’s meant to make it inconvenient to be homeless where “rich people” might have to see and acknowledge you. Its goal is to make the problem easier to ignore not drive people to get help.

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    • Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You can’t disconnect the problems you are pretending are separate.

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  • Tiger666@lemmy.ca ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Amazingly, you think because someone has a mental illness that they chose to live on the street.

    You: “I’m sure if given the chance to have a place to live, an unhoused person would reject it”

    They remove benches and rest stops/bus shelters to stop the unhoused from occupying them to the detriment of people using the service. And you see nothing wrong with that.

    It’s very obvious to most why this is done.

    But not you.

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    • Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Amazingly, you think because someone has a mental illness that they chose to live on the street.

      No, I don’t. I’m a therapist that works at a mental health clinic, so I’d wager I have a better understanding of the psychosocial conditions affecting these people than you do. And I know the feeling psychosocial impacts have on the homeless better than you do. I’ve seen and worked with people living on the street. Can you claim to have the same experience?

      Jesus Christ, do you even know what you’re talking about?

      I’m not going to waste my time with you, because you haven’t demonstrated you have even an inkling of an understanding of what you’re dealing with.

      Get educated before you spout off, nitwit.

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      • Tiger666@lemmy.ca ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Says they are a therapist and that they know better than anyone. Doesn’t know anything about me.

        HOW EMBARRASSING IT MUST BE FOR YOU TO EXIST.

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      • BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I’ve actually been homeless. Have you?

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      • grue@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Get educated before you spout off, nitwit.

        Oh, the irony! 🤣

        You do realize you’re just embarrassing yourself all over this thread, right?

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  • untorquer@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Shelters, even if there was enough space, can be dangerous for vulnerable people, do not allow pets, and rarely provide medium term housing or transitional opportunity.

    Anti-homeless architecture simply attempts to push the houseless further away from urban centers, and consequently food kitchens, shelters, and other resources. This is deadly when extreme weather occurs or acute health problems arise.

    It actively makes the city more dangerous to those most fucked by society.

    As far as “wanting” to live on the street, this is a narrative made up to victim blame and deny empathy. It only needs one or two examples for the false narrative to be cast on the population writ large.

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    • Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You’re stupid if you think this is the effect anti-homeless architecture is having in the places it’s being implemented. They have very little impact to begin with. I don’t pretend to think that shelters can’t be improved, but if people refuse to utilize the resources we have, we must either come up with new resources or reevaluate our investments in the resources we currently employ.

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      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Imagine trying to spin anti-homeless architecture as pro-homeless.

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      • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Hey maybe I’m stupid too, but it seems to me it’d be way fucking easier and cheaper to just put some flyers in a little letterbox attached to the bench advertising the nearest homeless shelter or something, rather than inconveniencing literally everyone who wants to use the bench. But what do I know, I’m probably just stupid

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      • untorquer@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s a political problem. Houseless people are there because there’s no political willpower to create systematic change to support them. So you’re absolutely right when you say:

        we must either come up with new resources or reevaluate our investments in the resources we currently employ.

        The only problem is the answer to this question is more often on the side of the investment not being worth it, so the problem is left unaddressed.

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  • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    but even if we had enough of that, there’d still be mentally ill people and drug addicts that would prefer to live on the street

    How about we get there first and then you can hand wring about any of these supposed people who are left?

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    • Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Nah, because these people are always going to be here. Do you have a better solution or are you just hand-wringing about people you don’t have to deal with in your daily life?

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      • porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Those people don’t exist, they are just an excuse for you to be cruel

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  • Kickforce@lemmy.wtf ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That may be true in some cases but most of the time anti homeless street furniture is just made to get homeless people to not hang around that particular area.

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    • Tedesche@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      And what’s wrong with that? These people should be getting help, not taking up public space. I realize that it probably seems to you like an abuse campaign to insist they sleep somewhere else, but I would argue you’re an enabler who naively thinks they’re helping while actually just cooperating with these poor people’s poor adaptation strategies by giving them a place to stay in public space that isn’t actually a safe to stay in. Check yourself. Do you actually have these people’s best interests in mind, or are you just virtue signaling about the homeless, a class you see as less than yourself?

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      • Kickforce@lemmy.wtf ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Why do you believe I see homeless people as less than myself? Quite a lot of people are only a short term breakdown away from being homeless, especially in ultra capitalist places like the US. Certainly they need help, but help is not always directly available, and you want to argue that while they look for help, making the world as hostile as possible is a good thing? And then you try to gaslight me with that? I think you need help.

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      • Iceman@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Well if it it’s the change of tune.

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  • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fuck you.

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    • Shardikprime@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Ah yes, petty insults

      The leftist huckster’s crutch

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      • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Fuck you.

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