Comment on Please consider supporting Lemmy development

• infeeeee@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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• GoodEye8@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I imagine the biggest point are the censorship, disinformation and tankie allegations. These are all documented in this post. Another point worth bringing up is that they are the admins of lemmy.ml, where most of the allegations happen. Lemmy.ml also has something of a tankie problem and one of the devs has said that the donations will also cover the cost of running the instance. So by donating to the devs you’re also donating to an instance that possibly has no problem with censorship, disinformation and harboring tankies.

  I would be willing to turn a blind eye if I could trust the devs to step away from lemmy.ml and focus solely on the development of Lemmy. But I don’t trust the devs enough to actually do that so I personally won’t be supporting Lemmy development until someone else becomes the maintainer of Lemmy.

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  • conditional_soup@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    AND it’s open source software. Nothing is stopping anyone from just forking Lemmy.

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    • 4n41y4no5@crazypeople.online ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Freeloader

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      • hitmyspot@aussie.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Isn’t that the point? Is t that how main and kbin started?

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  • nutomic@lemmy.ml ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    lemmy.ml is part of Lemmy development as it is used to test new versions before release, take performance measurements and have first-hand experience with the mod tools. If I stepped away from lemmy.ml it would make Lemmy worse and cause more problems for other instance admins. In any case the costs for lemmy.ml hosting are already covered at a much lower donation level, anything you contribute goes directly to developer salaries.

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    • hakase@lemm.ee ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      lemmy.ml is part of Lemmy development as it is used to test new versions before release, take performance measurements and have first-hand experience with the mod tools.

      Then you really shouldn’t be surprised that people don’t want to donate when part of that support goes toward an instance that openly and aggressively supports authoritarian regimes and genocide denial, and brutally censors any dissenting viewpoints.

      If I stepped away from lemmy.ml it would make Lemmy worse and cause more problems for other instance admins.

      The other option, of course, would be to run lemmy.ml in a way that doesn’t actively piss off the majority of Lemmy users, but that doesn’t seem to be a path you’re willing to consider.

      Honestly, as much as I disagree with your politics I’d probably donate anyway because of how great Lemmy is, if only you developed behind the scenes and weren’t personally responsible for one of the worst places on the platform. As it is, as long as both a) lemmy.ml continues to be run the way it is and b) you continue to have an active part in that instance’s abhorrent behavior, I can’t in good conscience give you any financial support.

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      • nutomic@lemmy.ml ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Would you donate to Lemmy if lemmy.ml hosting was funded separately?

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    • GoodEye8@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’ve given it some more thought. There’s no guarantee that money going to the developers won’t be used to for the instance they are financing. If I give you money and the lemmy.ml funds are empty, are you going to let lemmy.ml die? Considering you said it is used to test new versions of lemmy and measure performance and test how effective the mod tools are I don’t think you would let lemmy.ml die. You’d finance it yourself, most likely from the money that is donated for the development of lemmy. So separating lemmy development and lemmy.ml instance costs wouldn’t really change the situation.

      But I also no longer think it’s inherently necessary to step away from lemmy.ml. I get the value a real instance would give to development, so what I think needs to happen is a shift in what lemmy.ml is supposed to be. If the purpose of lemmy.ml is to support the development of lemmy then the primary goal of the instance should be that. Clearly the biggest issue people have is politics and how lemmy.ml is used as a vessel to push a certain kind of political agenda, which means if the primary goal is to support development then the instance right now contradicts its primary goal. It’s dissuading people from donating to the development and it’s making the main developers (you in this case) focus on the drama (for the lack of a better word) instead of spending time developing. I think the solution is pretty simple, lemmy.ml should take a hard anti-politics stance. Do a purge and kick all politics off the instance, including instance users who discuss politics on other instances. Have it be memes, technology, privacy and FOSS and gaming and everything else that doesn’t necessarily lead to politics. Users who want to take part in political discourse can find instances that allow political discourse, and that includes you and Dessalines. If you want to be political create an alt account on a different instance. Communities that want to be political can find other instances to be in political. You don’t need politics to run lemmy.ml. And for the sake of clarity also add to the instance about section that the instance exists to support lemmy development because currently that is not written anywhere.

      If you think that’s unfair to the current users of lemmy.ml I honestly don’t see how you could resolve this situation without stepping away from lemmy.ml.

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      • nutomic@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        So you expect us to make a lot of major changes to the oldest Lemmy instance in existence and disappoint many users. All for the goal of maybe possibly getting a few more donations, without any guarantee. Its more likely that youre a cheapskate looking for any excuse to avoid donating, and keep using Lemmy without contributing at all. If you dont want to donate at least be honest, I would respect that.

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    • Ledivin@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They should try just using it for development instead of forcing out tankie propaganda, then.

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• mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  They’re ^communists^ 😱

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  • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Tankies, specifically

    Authoritarian commies who have very different-from-reality opinions and word definitions

    Oh, and transphobia

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    • towelie@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s so funny to me when I express an even remotely moderate opinion and get called a right-winger. Lol, is lemmy really where right-wingers would go for online discourse?

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    • mathemachristian@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      tankie is just the new scary sounding word for communist derived from when the soviet union helped defeat a CIA backed color-revolution in Hungary

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      • boredtortoise@lemm.ee ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Tankies don’t really enjoy communists. It’s not honest dialogue to mix them up with each other

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      • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Why would the CIA back a revolution demanding minimum wage and the right to unionise?

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      • gregs_gumption@lemm.ee ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        lol

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  • peregrin5@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    They’re ^communists^ transphobic, class reductionists, support Russian invasion of Ukraine, support Uyghur genocide, support N. Korean dictators, worked hard to ensure Republicans won US elections, run an instance where they act like the authoritarian dictators they love and ban everyone who disagrees with them for being “liberals” 😱

    FTFY

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    • 4n41y4no5@crazypeople.online ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      WorKed HarD to enSurE rePub woN

      Let me guess, they actually talked about Gaza? Funny how the libs are now mad at Palestinians for costing them the elections.

      A few days ago one of the worldists got banned for saying shit like “Palestinians deserved it”. His history was full of those sarcastic remarks about how trump was so much better for gaza

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      • peregrin5@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        WorKed HarD to enSurE rePub woN

        Let me guess, -proceeds to make up some bullshit nobody ever said-

        How like a tankie to decide someone else’s argument for them since you’d rather argue against a strawman than actually be concerned about the facts.

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