Comment on Bethesda Gifts Everybody in the Skyblivion Mod Team a Copy of Oblivion Remastered

scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• SolidShake@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Why? Bathesda is probably THE company that supports modders the most. People will still play skyblivion when it comes out.

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  • Vopyr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Of course they support modders, after all, someone has to finish and patch their unfinished games! 😄

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    • SolidShake@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’ve always joked about that. Why do the work when a modder will do it for you. For free

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  • Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Bethesda supports modders the way WOTC supports D&D content creators. They profit immensely off of other people’s work without lifting a finger but also try to exploit those same creators for even more profit at every possible opportunity. Usually in such a way that it does permanent harm to an otherwise thriving community.

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    • ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Starfield was the epitome of this. Rather than make a full game and let modders play around, they launched an empty, barren wasteland not-so-subtly made with extensive modding in mind. They figured that they don’t have to put effort into delivering a good product since their fans will do that for them following release.

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      • TachyonTele@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Id also add that they’re creativitly bankrupt. They even said in interviews that they couldn’t figure out how to make Starfield a fun game until a year or so before release.

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    • SolidShake@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      ? So you’re saying all modders do is ruin games then?

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  • Randomgal@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yes. It is also the company that tried to charge for mods.

    The millionaires don’t need your to defend them.

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    • FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Succeeded actually, they still sell paid mods.

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    • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I mean… if you actually care about the people who make your mods you SHOULD want them to be compensated. Even a simple quest mod or weapon mod is hours of work, if not days or weeks.

      And while there is an argument as to whether Bethesda should receive a cut of that… people tend to not want to have that conversation about Valve and Steam so…

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      • ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I’m pro-paid-mods, but at least the way it was rolled out the first time was pretty shit. The modders were left with a very small cut after Valve and Bethesda each got theirs, and Bethesda did basically no vetting of the content to make sure it wasn’t stolen or malware or what have you.

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  • catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    No, that would probably be Valve. Several fan mods became full games in their own right (Counter-Strike, Black Mesa). Others were mods of non-Valve games (Team Fortress, Dota 2 (sort of)).

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  • naticus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The most? Nah. Yes they’re fairly friendly to modders, but there’s been other cases of publishers going way out of their way to embrace a modder or mod group. I can think of one right now where a massive localization mod team actually had their work used as the basis of the official Western release of a game.

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  • scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What about gestures everywhere suggests that I should ever fully trust a company?

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    • SolidShake@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Huh?

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  • JustARaccoon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’d argue they’re the most vocal about it, but no. They release a half lobotomized set of tools, they keep making modder unfriendly changes to the games (recompiling the exe for no reason every time a new cc mod was released for Skyrim, which meant you needed to wait for skse to update too) including having load order broken at launch in Starfield. Also the many ways and attempts they’ve made at monetising mods with them getting a cut. Not to mention this new Oblivion game needs new tools to work with it and once again like with Skyrim VR, “modding is unsupported”, though that could just be a decision made by the Devs since they’re developed by third party studios.

    I’d say Larian is actually pulling their weight tho, with bg3 modding going quite well and them frequently highlighting mods on their twitter. Also CDPR who looked at the most popular mods and added them to the base game as polished features.

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    • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Paradox games are another big one with mod support.

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