Comment on Cathy, do the math.

• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What I’m saying is that if they can set “$0.50 above union rates” as the company policy for everyone, they can also set “$5 above union rates” as the company policy for everyone and then cut union rates by $5. It’s essentially just bribing people to not join a union or penalizing them if they do. It being company policy for everyone is irrelevant.

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  • bstix@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They can’t cut union rates.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not until everyone leaves the union to get extra pay and the union loses all its bargaining power.

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      • bstix@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        In my case, even that wouldn’t matter. The only way for an employer to get out of a union agreement is to shut down the business completely.

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      • JustZ@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This doesn’t even make sense.

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    • bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s just union contract negotiations.

      Not providing cost of living increase is effectively a pay cut FYI, and we’re speaking colloquially here.

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  • ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They can’t cut union rates since they have a contract. So they can, within reason, pay non union workers more but not lower the pay of union workers. One of the benefits of being in the union is that they can’t just lower your wages and they may have issues firing you for bad reasons.

    There’s a limit to how much they can pay the ununionized workers before it becomes clear they’re trying to interfere with the workers rights to free organization. In the image, it’s quite likely that the extra 50¢ is union dues, or could be explained as related to costs.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      One of the benefits of being in the union is that they can’t just lower your wages and they may have issues firing you for bad reasons.

      Not until everyone leaves the union to get extra pay and the union loses all its bargaining power.

      In the image, it’s quite likely that the extra 50¢ is union dues,

      That doesn’t make any sense. If it’s about union dues, the union pay is what should be higher.

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      • tacobellhop@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Replace leaving the union with going to college instead and you get why we have a 3 generation straight loss in union membership.

        People told their kids to chase more money and then spent that money on cheaper foreign products and the whole house fell down within 20 years.

        This was the plan by the way for capitalists.

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      • ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The workplace is deducting the union dues from union workers checks automatically.

        Unions loosing membership causing them to be weaker in negotiations is entirely irrelevant to why companies don’t just lower union pay outside of negotiations.

        There’s no faster way to get downvoted than to complain about being downvoted, particularly if you’re weirdly smug about it.

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  • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    sure, but whether or not they know it they have caved to the union’s demands by doing that

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What kind of 5th dimensional chess are you trying to play where penalizing someone for joining a union is “caving to the union’s demands?”

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      • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        if salaries depend on union decisions then surely they are following the union’s demands.

        i think the thing that makes it confusing is the missing context of whether unionised workers at that site are being paid less than non-union workers. i assumed the answer was no because it sounded like they had a CBA that the person was not aware of, since the alternative would have been immediately struck down by any union worth its salt.

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      • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They can’t cut union wages that’s the whole point of collective bargaining and they’re just maintaining competition with union rates which is legal. That competition might be specifically devised to draw potential employees away from union contracts and people may be dumb enough to go for it but that’s capitalism however fun that may be.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        One of the goals of unions is to increase worker pay. Mission accomplished.

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  • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Congrats you just figured out capitalism, .ml is speaking volumes here.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Thank you, yes as an .ml I do understand capitalism better than most of the people replying to me, it seems.

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      • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Dunning Kruger in action. Yes facts don’t matter your beliefs do, head on back to daycare and let the adults talk in peace.

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