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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Unions loosing membership causing them to be weaker in negotiations is entirely irrelevant to why companies don’t just lower union pay outside of negotiations.

  OK, here’s the source of the confusion.

  What the fuck did I say that made anyone think I was talking about cutting union pay outside of negotiations? Literally where is anyone getting this from??

  There’s no faster way to get downvoted than to complain about being downvoted, particularly if you’re weirdly smug about it.

  Most of the downvotes I got (so far) came before I added that part.

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  • ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Because referring to changing pay rates for union workers as a policy change pretty heavily implies it’s not a negotiation, and “why wouldn’t the company just get the union to agree to a significant pay cut” is an even more asinine point. They obviously would have if the could have. The assumption that you didn’t know unions negotiated contracts seemed more charitable than thinking you didn’t know how bargaining worked.

    Most of the downvotes I got (so far) came before I added that part.

    Okay.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Because referring to changing pay rates for union workers as a policy change pretty heavily implies it’s not a negotiation, and “why wouldn’t the company just get the union to agree to a significant pay cut” is an even more asinine point. They obviously would have if the could have. The assumption that you didn’t know unions negotiated contracts seemed more charitable than thinking you didn’t know how bargaining worked.

      But that’s not how bargaining works. What unions are able to negotiate is a function of how large, powerful, and organized they are. Rejecting what the company offers can mean going on strike, and if they aren’t powerful enough for that to be a credible threat (because people left the union for higher pay rates), then that means they have very little power to negotiate or say no to what’s offered.

      So it’s more like, you don’t understand how bargaining works, so you jumped to the completely absurd conclusion that I didn’t know unions negotiated contracts? What?

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      • ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        At this point I’m fairly certain you’re just trolling, since you asked a dumb question, responded to answers with nonsense scenarios and indignation, and then responded to clarification as though your scenario were a given.

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