You know that some servers can have tens of thousands of people right?
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Earflap@reddthat.com 4 weeks agoJust because they didn’t participate doesn’t mean they didn’t know it was there.
Soulg@ani.social 4 weeks ago
MiniMoose4Free@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
What’s your point? That personal responsibly stops existing in a large group of people?
PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I mean, Lemmy used to have a big issue with CSAM being spammed by malicious users. Many people believed that it was pro-Reddit trolls, because it started happening right around the same time as the giant API debacle.
By your logic, every single user in instances that got spammed should be banned. Because even if they didn’t see it, or interact with it in any way, they’re still personally responsible for it. After all, personal responsibility doesn’t stop existing in a large group of people.
stickly@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Lemmy is celebrating cracking 50,000 users. Discord has 200 million MAU. They take a broader approach to punishment because it’s the only feasible way to avoid legal problems.
IIRC some Lemmy instances were defederated at that time for poor moderation and nobody complained. Its a reasonable approach to avoid liability.
Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
So, what you’re saying is, if someone on your Lemmy instance breaks the rules of another instance, your entire instance should be defederated, right?
stevedice@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
When are you turning yourself in for associating with that one pedophile by existing in the same country?
Soulg@ani.social 4 weeks ago
My point is that it’s very naïve to assume that everyone in a given server knows what one person potentially posted once, especially the large servers.
Of course it’s possible they knew, but assuming by default that they had to have known is stupid.
TwilightKiddy@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
Presumption of innocence is a thing, you know?
In 2020 some small servers (50-200 people per server) got cover banned with all their users, mostly for political talk, as far as I’m aware.
I, personally, usually join such small servers while looking for lobby members in older games, I have a couple of them muted except for channels dedicated specifically to game lobbies. If someone starts an “illegal” talk in any other channel on one of these, why should I be held liable? Or am I suddenly obligated to hunt for pipe bomb recipes on any server I join?
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
I don’t really know how to use Discord except by muting servers immediately after joining and probably never looking at them again
Zozano@aussie.zone 4 weeks ago
Just because they’re part of the server doesn’t mean they knew it was there.
tauren@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
It doesn’t prove that they knew either. We have this thing called presumption of innocence.
Earflap@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
Yeah, in constitutional law. Not in Discord lol.
DempstersBox@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Discord specifically has a skip to most recent post button, that i use frequently on the busier ones, because I’m not scrolling through two miles of unrelated nonsense and sub-convos to get to what’s currently relevant.
Am I guilty of thoughtcrime?
stickly@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
My question is why do people feel the need to be in 40 servers? I couldn’t name 10 I give a shit about.
As a user you’re voluntarily joining a server, you should know what the content is and how well it’s moderated. Ignorance isn’t a defense here; a server doesn’t get nuked for one bad actor posting illegal content once or twice.
Nine times out of ten these stories are from a user that joins servers made for NSFW content (usually for something like OF leaks). There’s no content verification and lots of active channels.
You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to realize that combo almost always ends poorly (see: reddit jailbait or old pornhub). If it feels risky just leave, there’s no lack of places to find porn on the internet.
yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
1-3 for friend groups, 3-20 for various games because devs decided to stop using traditional forums so if you want to talk shit to a game devs face regarding changes that fix the exploit you’ve been using to have fun you have to pretend to be a discord kitten for months and gain their confidence so you can appropriately deal enough psychic damage to repay what they took from you, 5-10 for foss software collaboration, 5-10 for obscure porn game contribution so it stops taking ten fucking months between updates.
And I think I’m pretty asocial. Normies must have thousands of servers joined.
Earflap@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
I’m in exactly 1 server, that my friend uses to organize game night at his place with many other people. If I could get him to switch platforms I would delete my account.
Little8Lost@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Limit is 200 with nitro but there is a reason why unofficial clients have workarounds for the limit
Donnywholovedbowling@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’m in 60+ servers, but actively follow maybe 4-5. Others are for different games, twitch communities, lots of subreddit discords since I haven’t used Reddit since the API bullshit… I should trim down the list but I like popping in to them occasionally, don’t feel like I should get banned due to activity in a server I rarely check
lka1988@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I’m in 23 different discord servers. Tech, hacking, DIY, cars, music, etc.
MiniMoose4Free@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Bro got down voted for telling the unwashed masses to practice some vigilance and personal responsibility. Fuck…
Sunsofold@lemmings.world 4 weeks ago
*for telling people they are responsible for what others do in a chatroom they may look at once and then ignore.
I am in discords I never engage with, but literally only have as a place I can search for answers, like a niche alternative to stack overflow. It is absurd for me to be held to the standard of policing everything that happens on those servers just in case some of it might be bad. Discords can also have permissions limited viewing. Are we supposed to know what happens in the channels we can’t see?
More importantly, despite how much work it is to do so, punishments have to be applied on an individual level. Punishing people who are in a class is too vague.
shneancy@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
how is it my problem if an emote server i joined years ago and never even opened since turns bad?
how is it my problem that a hidden channel i never saw broke TOS?
people get banned for both
get off people’s asses for not being discord batmans hunting down TOS violations across every channel, every day in every server they join. we’re not paid discord admins and we’re not doing their goddamn work for them, besides even those reporting can get banned.
content like this should be removed yes but proximity to it shouldn’t get you banned. Do you think it would be a good idea to arrest an entire block of flats because one resident turned out to be a criminal? Do you think it would be bright to expect every single resident to have figured out a crime was about to happen and leave for the duration of it?
Earflap@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
I mean if they have channels called like “CP Central” and the users all talk about how great the CP is on CP Central all the time then it really doesn’t matter how many messages you skip.
Also
This bullshit is exactly why I don’t use discord.