Completely free. Kind of. It’s like less than €200 a year to study at a university in Finland.
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hash@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Their schools were already orders of magnitude cheaper. Get ready for extreme brain drain!
tauonite@lemmy.world 1 month ago
kaarne@leminal.space 1 month ago
This is true only for students from the EU/ETA area: for students from outside it is a minimum of 1500€/month to study in a school of higher education.
jol@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Which is still cheap for many Americans.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So the cost of like one class in the US.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 month ago
better than the states, even at a cheap states its still thousands of USD per semester, and not a whole year, plus COL.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Haven’t European schools been cheaper since like the 80s tho?
Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 month ago
Yep
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So I would think the brain drain would have happened a long time ago, like back in the 90s. The sad truth about Americans is that most of us will usually just keep paying more and more for stuff rather than give any of it up.
Letstakealook@lemm.ee 1 month ago
It isn’t an active choice. Moving to Europe is not an option for most Americans.
Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 month ago
The message “america is best” used to be shouted everywhere they had a chance. It might be bullshit, but say it enough and it sticks.
Then again, the scars that the nazi’s left behind are still visible. With how recent that was back in the 90’s I wouldn’t blame people for being careful. Moving countries isn’t a thing most people do every few decades.
socsa@piefed.social 1 month ago
It is quite hard to even get accepted to a foreign undergrad program out of high school. Grad school is a bit easier but it's still difficult and traditionally there is just enormous amounts of money in the US academic system so going abroad really needs to be something you prioritize. Also many US grad students don't pay tuition for PhD track programs. You get an assistantship with a stipend.
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I’m hoping to get into a pretty well regarded game dev school in Sweden that is $25k USD for the entire degree. Comparing it with anything similar in the US is mind boggling. Schools here are impossibly expensive
Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 month ago
That’s still pricey imo
SyntaxError@lemmy.world 1 month ago
University in sweden is free for swedish citizens, it used to be free for foreign students as well, but since some years ago the universities are allowed to put fees on foreign students. Dont remember the exact details of how it works.
mumblerfish@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I was around when they introduced it. They basically killed some programs because it went from a few students to none. Because why would you pay for a Swedish uni noone heard of instead of a bit more for a famous uni. It was a stupid policy.
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Yeah, if it’s free for your citizens it has to be free for all EU citizens. Getting in can be tricky though.
Boomkop3@reddthat.com 1 month ago
Oh nice! Get yourself a permit!
SchwertImStein@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Future games, innit? The one the ceo of the company that made It Takes Two finished?
It’s mind boggling to me that this school exists. I mean they have the achievements of the alumni to schow, so good for them.
But still it’s a paid school for game dev, famous for crunch, and worse salary than “normal” dev. So not only will you work more, and earn less, you also have to pay for your studies, since standard CS is free.
Scrath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
I didn’t look at the curriculum of the game dev school but from my personal experience studying CS I would say that what you learn there isn’t really comparable to CS besides the programming part
JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Agreed, and I kind of wish CS and game dev weren’t considered so similar. They both program, sure, and those skills can be moved.
Go ask a Microsoft dev to explain game theory, hotkey availability, and UX. Then, ask a game dev the same questions. You’ll get wildly different answers because they wildly different goals
ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I’m a little confused here, I’m not EU/Swedish citizen wouldn’t any of my studies require me to pay? I care about money very little which is part of why I’ve been feeling so soul sucked at my current job. I’ve only been here for money for a bit now and I hate it. In a lot of ways I’d rather just be poor. I was happier when I was working for like 1/5 what I make now but felt excited about what I did
I love games and game making. I’ve been skirting around the industry for over 15 years at this point and haven’t been able to crack in yet. Future Games, or any of the schools I’ve applied to, is an opportunity to be on a visa for nearly the entire trump term and hopefully network enough to land a job after school. So I’m not just paying for education I’m paying for my own safety
The crunch is for real but also the job culture in the US is batshit. My first job out of college I ended up pulling 16 hour days 7 days/week. Everywhere here it is expected you’re going to do more work than you’re paid for or you risk getting fired. Crunch time in Sweden sounds like normal time in the US tbh