Comment on no ragrets

Prunebutt@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• kameecoding@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Well he made bad research, then disproved it, but couldn’t bottle back all the incels who ran with that shit

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  • QuantumSparkles@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Part of the irony being that even if it were true, there is no reason to make assumptions about human behavior and social structure based on other animals, especially… wild canines? Wtf? There’s a lot of different pack/grouping types throughout the animal kingdom—if anything it would make sense to compare humans to other apes, but at the end of the day it’s still a totally different species that also lacks the social complexity as well as culture and lifestyles humans are capable of because of our higher intelligence. We have some really fucking stupid cultural hang-ups

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    • roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Inside you there are two wolves, my friend. One is society and the other is society. We live in a society.

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      • Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        inside you there are two wolves, they are crucial for keeping the deer population under control

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    • AppleTea@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      being human is about communicating and learning new behaviors. Both of those take work and practice, so there’s selective pressure for a narrative that justifies not putting it in. If there hadn’t been the alpha/wolf thing then we’d just be having this conversation about some other silly story that served the same function.

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  • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I think it fits.

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• Telodzrum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  His life’s work was attempting to get everyone to know that his initial work offered incorrect conclusions and that he had later disproved it. He’s actually a hero.

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  • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yeah, respect to the dude

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• neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Wait, that isn’t true? I never heard about beta wolves, but i learned about alpha wolves in a public school, are we sure it’s wrong?

  Are we even talking about the same thing?

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  • Nawor3565@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yeah. It turns out that the “Alpha” and “Omega” wolves are just… The parents of the pack. It’s got nothing to do with the Alpha being macho or assertive or anything like how it’s been portrayed for decades.

    The researcher who first published his faulty observations has been trying to correct the public consciousness for years, but it’s really hard to undo something that was taught so widely

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  • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yes, it’s all debunked

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    • neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Okay yeah, that’s about what I remembered. The children leaving when they become adults.

      I guess I just somehow mandela-effected the term “alpha” into there

      But funny that wolves have social systems closer to humans than some ape species with their silverbacks.

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      • Hacksaw@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Oh yeah, we definitely form close knit family and community units with dispersed hierarchy instead of giving all the bananas and power to a small handful of apes who can then impose their will on everyone else…

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