That’s very much the Neville Chamberlain approach …
That’s such revisionist history. Chamberlain wasn’t appeasing Germany, he was aligning with Germany against Communist Russia.
He wasn’t surrendering, he was allying with fascism.
Comment on Germany right now
remon@ani.social 3 days agoWanting to disband NATO, withholding weapons from Ukraine and talking to Putin isn’t exactly “working against” fascism. That’s very much the Neville Chamberlain approach … but even he came to his sense after the full scale invasion started. Can’t say the same for Die Linke.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 days ago
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 days ago
Source?
That seems even more revisionist. If anything I’d have expected it from Winston “I believe in Aryan race science” Churchill.
Chamberlain was buying time for rearmament. It wasn’t actually necessary and it was, in fact, pretty fucking stupid because Germany was rearming faster than France and Britain put together, and his betrayal of Czechoslovakia with their fortified border was even more galling in face of it, but the idea wasn’t to ally with Germany as far as I’ve seen anyone claim.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 days ago
The British spent the entire 1930s claiming that Britain and Nazi Germany will be a bulwark against communism and signed three pacts with Hitler which were all directly against the Soviet Union: the Four Powers Pact meant to exclude and isolate the Soviets, the Naval Agreement meant Germany could have a navy up 35% of the British navy meaning it wouldn’t threaten British empire but every country on the Baltic sea… i.e. the Soviet Union, and finally the Munich Betrayal which was understood to be a gesture of a “free hand” (British diplomat’s words not mine) for Hitler to go east.
In spite of these difficulties Lord Halifax and other members of the British Government were fully aware that the Fuhrer had not only achieved a great deal inside Germany herself, but that, by destroying Communism in his country, he had barred its road to Western Europe, and that Germany therefore could rightly be regarded as a bulwark of the West against BolshevismIn spite of these difficulties Lord Halifax recognized that the Chancellor had not only performed great services in Germany, but also, as he would no doubt feel, had been able by preventing the entry of Communism into his own country, to bar Its passage further West. The Prime Minister held the view that it should be possible to find a solution of out differences by an open exchange of views
When the Soviets liberated Germany they were able to get a huge cache of British diplomatic documents. The Soviets released the above book and Documents And Materials Relating To The Eve Of The Second World War Vol. 2 full to the brim of diplomats praising Nazi Germany as a twin pillar alongside Britain stopping communism.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 days ago
NATO is a fascist organisation.
You Germs should know that since they incorporated plenty nazis in the organisation.
www.dispropaganda.com/…/natos-secret-nazi-past
remon@ani.social 3 days ago
Ok Tankie.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 days ago
shouldn’t you be beating up anti-genocide protesters while doing the Musk salute?
lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 days ago
A tankie on .world? Funny
metaldream@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Don’t care, I’d rather live under the neolib European governments any day than a Russian shithole. It’s not even a difficult choice. It’s not like there’s some leftist utopia as an alternative.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’ve got some horrible news for you.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 days ago
That’s the fascist Banderites you support.
amnesty.org/…/ukraine-activists-at-womens-solidar…
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 days ago
I’ll take government failures to control their pigs over actually siccing the murder pigs on the protestors.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Isn’t Amnesty an evil neoliberal org? Or are you a weird kind of tankie that doesn’t really have issue with it?
Regardless of that, it’s just like saying “Palestine deserved it” because Hamas and radical Islam.
metaldream@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Don’t try to deflect, you’re fine with Russia murdering gay people.
Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Campists these days are so funny, because now they’re getting all their opinions from the US state department.
GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee 2 days ago
NATO is liberal and that comes with all of the problems of liberals but in what ways has it functioned as a fascist organisation?
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 days ago
yanisvaroufakis.eu/…/nato-as-seen-from-one-who-gr…
Miaou@jlai.lu 2 days ago
This is another example of Schrödinger’s NATO, where actions perpetrated by the USA is blamed on the entire organisation, yet NATO is a symbol of Western imperialism.
Which is it? If all of NATO but the USA want one thing, and the USA overthrows your government, is it NATO’s fault or rather the USA’s? Are tankies blaming Iraq on NATO too?
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Without NATO, we’re going back into the age of territorial conquests and nationalist revenge campaigns. Russia and China aren’t the only countries where this crap is normalized (see Hungary - lot of my fellow Hungarians thinks Slovaks are just Hungarians forced to take up a Slavic language, and in reality they’re just a lost tribe of Magyars called “the Tóths”).
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 days ago
NATO is territorial conquest by the US.
Europe are just vasals.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
Name one agressive expansion of territory by nato.
And no. The former occupied eastern europe countrys joining nato is not military expansion. They wanted to join and are still indipendent in everything they do
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Had to protect the surplus profits of Capitalism at all costs. A century of wealth needed to be consolidated in the hands of the ubermensch. You know, Mohammed Bin Salmen and Amancio Ortega and Elon Musk.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
So did the warsaw packt. Your point?
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 2 days ago
While the Warhaw pact did have their own limited project paperclip it is a fact it was the west that fully incorporated the nazis into their regime.
The point being they both were anti-communist.
The west also helped escape 1000’s of the worst SS nazi warcriminals (ukranians) and relocated them to Canada.
What was their use?
There is zero equivalence and you can’t find more than some cherrypicked examples.
To the Russians some could be used but were their enemies, unlike the west where they had plenty of fascist sympathisers in Europe or N America.
…substack.com/…/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reic…
“and russia today even has them lead armys again”
LOL is that your claim? Let me say it for you, Ill cherrypick Dimitry Utkin for you bcs because i know where you are going with your argument. A guy from a private militia who is in no way part of the Russian army, as events later made abundantly clear.
You can find individual nazis in almost every country.
Guess who those Russian nazis are fighting for?
telegraph.co.uk/…/russian-neo-nazi-hooligan-who-l…
Ukraine has multible openly fascist batalions like Azov, Sich, Tornado and plenty more.
Where WW2 warcriminals are honored, etc…
And let’s not forget how the west now whitewashes the horrible Navalny, who organised the Russian marches before they were forbidden, a racist making videos of him shooting muslims that he called cockroaches.
A disgusting criminal sold by the west as some brave hero fighting for democracy.
As riculous as saying Azov are totally not nazis anymore bcs they changed their logo.
If only Hitler would’ve done something to his swastika, he could’ve been a brave anti-commie fighter hero.
You haven’t got a leg to stand on.