Comment on I liked Star Trek before it got woke. /s

FMT99@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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  • FMT99@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That’s fair, the cartoon is apparently not bad, just not my cup of tea.

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    • Infynis@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Lower Decks is my favorite Star Trek since DS9. When it came out though, I was super against it. Didn’t think Paramount had any right to be making fun of Star Trek after Discovery season 1. You can tell Lower Decks is made by people that love Star Trek though.

      This last season, they did a classic audience-the-Klingon-High-Council episode, and when I saw it, I exclaimed to my fiance, “Yes! I love Klingon bureaucracy episodes!” and then later in the episode, there was almost that exact same line

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      Strange New Worlds has been finding their feet too. We got a courtroom episode on Augment rights, that really felt Star Trek, and they’ve had some original stories as well that I’ve really loved, like Among the Lotus Eaters. There have been a couple episodes I haven’t been a fan of, but what Star Trek hasn’t had those?

      If you’re open to it, I recommend giving both shows another chance!

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      • dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Lower Decks and SNW are FANTASTIC and some of the best Trek in a very long time. Almost as good as The Orville ;)

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    • shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeah it’s good and agreed that discovery is pure ass so It’s definitely a little bit of both

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• ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  We have The Orville today

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  • LePoisson@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I really tried to like that show but it’s just … Bad. To each their own but I’d rather just rewatch TNG or whatever other Star Trek. That show feels like it doesn’t have an identity, the writers couldn’t decide what kind of show they were writing and the acting is subpar.

    Of course, if you enjoy it that’s all that really matters - keep on watching and having fun!

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    • __nobodynowhere@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      How far did you make it? Season 2 is better but Season 3 is a big shift.

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      • longwand@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Season 3 was a surprise. They just played it straight. Went from parody to homage.

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      • LePoisson@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Not very far lol, a couple episodes to give it a fair shake though, do you have an episode recommendation?

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  • FMT99@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Can’t stomach McFarlane unfortunately. I’m told it gets better later on but his sense of humor is just like nails on a chalkboard to me. Couldn’t get myself to finish the first season.

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    • Reyali@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      My partner and I have a theory that MacFarlane pitched The Orville as “Family Guy in space,” and he got to make it because of his success with Family Guy. But the actual goal he had all along was to make Star Trek.

      In order to keep the game up and get a second season, he had to sell the pitch at least a bit. So the early episodes are like Star Trek with cringey Family Guy-esque jokes. But as the series goes on, the cringe stops, the jokes slow down, and the plots get deeper.

      I can’t stand cringe humor and did not consider myself a fan of MacFarlane, but The Orville changed that.

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  • Loce@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Exactly. Orville is more “woke” and i absolutely love it. It’s supposed to be just a sort of comedy parody of star trek, yet it has more depth than the Discovery has.

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• jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  True. We don’t have masterpieces like “Spock’s Brain” anymore. /S

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  • FMT99@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Say what you want about TOS, it’s campy and silly but it’s not boring.

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  • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Even Platos Stepchildren, which everyone remembers for the first interracial kiss, was a pretty fucking terrible episode.

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• Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That’s basically all it is: Media getting “too big to fail” and then neutering its writing quality by committee. It tries to tell socially progressive stories at the same time, so people associate the two.

  A streamer pointed out the cognitive dissonance people have, when “anti-woke” people played Baldur’s Gate 3. It was gender expressive and diverse…but it was also GOOD writing. So they decided it was”wasn’t woke”.

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• kshade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Yep, and they suck at analogies too. The old format usually had fairly enlightened people encounter an injustice, usually making it right in some way. It’s morality theater. Discovery made the Federation itself dark and edgy and the people on board a complete mess, not a world I’d like to live in. Maybe that’s what some people perceive when they complain about “politics”.

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