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ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 5 weeks ago
How old are they that they called labeled as ableist? This would not have happened in 2000s elementary
Hm.
books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=ableist&yea…
They could be in 4th grade in 2010, and be 25 now posting this. I could also believe that elementary school teachers could be among the first 5% of people to adopt a new super-inclusive type of brand new lefty language that’s just starting to be used for a new type of friendly inclusiveness in 2000.
elementary school teachers could be among the first 5% of people to adopt a new super-inclusive type of brand new lefty language
Elementary school teachers are also more likely to crack down on any sort of insulting language in general. I remember when I was a kid in the 4th grade, our teacher would punish us for asking, “So?” So was short for ‘So what?’ At the time it was (sometimes properly, give me a break, Mrs. H) a way to insultingly say that someone else’s statement was meaningless.
It wasn’t because it was ableist, or anything else you could point a finger to except insulting, and teachers head that sort off interaction off early.
Makes sense.
I’m about 10 years older and have never heard the term in person, only in lefty online communities like Lemmy. I even took an ASL class from a deaf person (highly recommend, though maybe my teacher just rocked) as an adult with my SO, and we didn’t even use the term “ablism,” but instead just “hearing” to describe people who aren’t deaf (so the concept, not the term). That would’ve been mid to late 2010s, IIRC.
Couple that with the claimed suspension in 4th grade, and I have serious doubts any of this happened. To get suspended, you need to be starting fist fights or something, even cussing or intentionally insulting people would probably only land normal detention.
So as someone hard of hearing, please don’t get your understanding of disabled Americans from the deaf, we’re opinionated in ways that folks like the blind and mobility assisted don’t really see and can’t really go along with. We are however starting to talk about audism but you aren’t really going to see talk of audism in an asl class. Maybe the term will be used in the context of mainstreaming.
But yeah this is veering into cultural correctness vs political correctness.
blind… don’t really see
I see what you did there. ^sorry^
And yeah, the thing that surprised me by dipping my toes in the water was how vibrant the deaf community is. It’s an entire subculture that most won’t get to experience. I think it’s awesome.
Interesting!
Could be that they didn’t say ableist at the time it happened but anon remembers it that way it just tells it that way.
True, can’t trust it anyways
I was in 1st grade for 9/11 and I’m too damn old for 4chan (30)
PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
I don’t know - the term “ableist” has certainly spiked in popularity in the last ten years or so, but even in the 90’s you’d get a bollocking for throwing around the terms “mong” or “spaz” or “flid” within earshot of a teacher.
I mean, I can see why - I hate the terms myself, but when you’re in single digits of age, it’s just used as another derisory term rather than a specific slight at someone’s physical or mental development challenges.
It still got you in hot water if you were daft enough to get caught shouting it though.
oce@jlai.lu 5 weeks ago
I’m not native and I discovered the word by reading a Lemmy community’s rules.
_stranger_@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I had a teacher in the 90’s call me a spaz.
MutilationWave@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Spaz was very mild in the US and very serious in the UK. Meant kinda different things too.
The opposite for extremity in these countries at the time was fanny. Meant completely different things.
FiskFisk33@startrek.website 4 weeks ago
Fanny is a semi common forename in Sweden.
ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 5 weeks ago
Were you in a big city? Mine was pretty small. I wonder if that has to do with it? I never heard the word until maybe high school or college
PhobosAnomaly@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
Nah I was in a pretty small town, semi-rural but not buttfuck-nowhere either.
It certainly wasn’t labelled “ableist” then, it was simply “being a little shit” - I only really learned of the term ableism around 10-15 years ago.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Same, but in a suburban area (suburb of major metro). Never heard of “ablism” until I found leftist communities like this online, and I grew up in a left leaning area. I don’t think I’ve ever heard the term in person, and I have kids about OP’s age.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Really? I was in a pretty medium sized city (30-40k people, suburb of 1M+ city), and we used it all the time as kids. I have kids about the age of OP and live in a similar sized city, and I catch my kids using similar language.
I grew up in a liberal area and now live in a conservative one. It would take a lot more effort than that to get suspended from elementary school, you basically need to actually beat someone up or use drugs in school to do that.
ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 5 weeks ago
Are you saying used the word ableist? Or the r word? I’m saying the r word was used frequently in elementary and middle school and wonder how young OP must be.