A stereotype … but why do old people wake up so early and go to bed so early?
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wolfpack86@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The answer is Wallace. Every old dude with a desk near me has been a solid guy who shuts the fuck up and always makes coffee before I get in.
Mickey7@lemmy.world 4 days ago
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 4 days ago
People have different circadian rhythms on average as they age. We simply associate the pattern of those middle aged and older with virtue. Middle age and old people raise children, and they teach children that the sleep patterns of the elders are wise and just, while the sleep patterns of the youth are slovenly and sinful. Our entire concept of “early” is defined by what middle age and older people simply adapt to naturally without force or effort. Older folks tend to wake up at a certain hour, so we just declare that the hour everyone is expected to wake at.
The most insidious form of this temporal bigotry is how we typically force high school students to start school at the earliest time of day of any school students, even though high school students have the latest natural waking time of any age group. We value “teaching lessons” to our youth more than we do actually teaching them. So we drag them out of bed at an unnaturally early hour so that they can make class at 7 AM. We then berate and shame them for being sleepy and inattentive in the unnaturally early classes we require them by law to attend.
And I say all this as someone in their late 30s who naturally wakes up pretty early. From an evolutionary perspective, it makes a great deal of sense why we have people with different natural sleep and wake times, and for those preferences to shift with age. We spent several hundred thousand years living as small groups huddled around campfires. Part of warding off predators is having people on watch through the night. Having people who don’t have to fight to stay awake late into the night makes that guard duty so much easier. In prehistory, I imagine the young adults staying up late into the night after the adults are asleep, enjoying some time to themselves, tending the fire, and watching for predators. The last of the youth to go to sleep would trade off with the earliest rising of the elders. We are a social species. We are evolved to live in groups. And a group is more effective with a diversity across many characteristics, including sleep/wake times.
But we’ve forgotten this fact and turned a simple consequence of evolution into a moral issue. And for that, we as a society abuse our youth and force them to wake at unnaturally early hours for the sake of puffing up the sense of moral superiority of the middle aged and older. Collectively, our relation to early waking times, and especially how we use it to collectively abuse our children, is one of our greatest sins as a culture.
Oneser@lemm.ee 4 days ago
You put the “L” in “LLM”.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 4 days ago
Well the getting up early is because we go to bed early. And we go to bed early because we can and no one can stop us.
wolfpack86@lemmy.world 4 days ago
My favorite old guy I worked with, I was around 25 at the time, he was early 70s.
We used to joke that I’d call him with a wake up call when I was getting home from the bar, and he could return the favor when he took his morning break. He was in the office every day at 5:30.
jewbacca117@lemmy.world 4 days ago
WWII
Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Because we have to get up to pee a bunch of times during the night and eventually can’t sleep at all so we get up for the day. Which results in our being tired AF and having to go to bed early.
bitchkat@lemmy.world 4 days ago
It’s more go to bed late and still wake up early. I was up to 4am (at home) and still woke up about 9:30am
rumba@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
You start to lose endurance. Your body becomes less efficient at recovery, and while you’re not pushing as hard and you don’t need as much sleep, you find that kicking it off earlier is advantageous. Your eyesight starts to deteriorate, you start finding that doing work in bright light affords you better focus through the pinhole effect.
tatterdemalion@programming.dev 4 days ago
There is always an exception. One of my older coworkers once came in to work with a sprained ankle. I asked why and he said he got it from kicking a dog, with zero remorse in his expression. I wish I had not asked. I knew he was weird but that detail cemented my opinion of him.
fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 3 days ago
Maybe the dog was about to attack a small child.
I’ve seen someone poke a dog in the ass with a stick. They were a hero. Dog was latched on to someone’s leg.
tatterdemalion@programming.dev 3 days ago
Yeah it’s possible it was a defensive move. But I don’t think he framed it that way, and I would absolutely be sure to clarify why I kicked a dog if that were the truth. Honestly I would probably lie to avoid having to explain that.
Sadly this was a while ago and I don’t remember if I asked for more details. I just remember it was super awkward.