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No excuse for shoplifting because UK's benefits system is very generous, policing minister says

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨shish_mish@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨unitedkingdom@feddit.uk⁩

https://news.sky.com/story/cost-of-living-no-excuse-for-shoplifting-amid-cost-of-living-crisis-policing-minister-13040969

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  • t0m5k1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Generous, wtf they’ve actively reduced the amount even before inflation and also reduced the amount disabled people can claim whilst also changing the rules to ensure fewer people meet the rules to be able to claim.

    Don’t forget food banks were set up due to the above before inflation.

    Fukn Tory scum has been attacking the welfare state for decades.

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  • echo64@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    remember every time they quote monetary values for shoplifted goods increasing, it’s inflation. the cost of the goods went up, the amount of shoplifting is pretty much stable.

    but they get to make a big fuss about it being “on the rise” instead of dealing with inflation and cost of living issues. because Tories are allergic to doing anything.

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    • HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Unfortunately anecdotal evidence disagrees with you. I am def seeing more shoplifters.

      Also blaming inflation alone. Seems to give an excuse to the government over its attacks on the benifit system and raising cost of living. Not to mention the reduction in policing that has not been replaced.

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      • echo64@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        you know what the issue here is don’t you. what you reckon doesn’t reflect reality. statistics does, and statistics agrees with me. not you,

        I don’t know why we are so addicted to “what i reckon” thinking in this country, why it’s so ingrained into our culture. but it’s really dangerous and sad.

        statistica has the level of shoplifting incidents returning back to pre-pandemic levels after obviously it dropped during pandemic. these are the normal levels. What has changed is the value of the goods. and that’s the value that’s always reported when people talk about the increases.

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      • rentar42@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        if you see anyone stealing food for themselves, then no, you didn't.

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  • andthenthreemore@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Every minister that says benefits are generous should be put on them for a month.

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    • FatLegTed@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A year. Without access to their bank accounts.

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      • Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Even with a year, there’s a massive difference between ‘I just have to get through this then I can head to my holiday home in the Maldives and crack open a couple of bottles of Bollinger’ and ‘this is all there is, forever’. Knowing it will end makes it bearable.

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  • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    "Philp attended the selective St Olave’s Grammar School in Orpington, Kent, and then studied physics at University College, Oxford. In 1996 he was editor of the Oxford University student newspaper, Cherwell.

    Philp worked for McKinsey & Company before co-founding distribution business Blueheath Holdings, in 2000. It was floated on the AIM before merging with Booker Cash & Carry as part of the Booker Group in a £375 million deal.

    With fellow future Conservative Party MP Sam Gyimah, he founded Clearstone Training and Recruitment Limited, an HGV training provider, which went into liquidation owing nearly £4 million to its customers, many of which were long term unemployed. Philp also founded property development lender Pluto Finance and Moreof Silverstone, which are registered in Jersey. He founded the charity The Next Big Thing, which was dissolved due to insolvency"

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    Real man of these people right there. An authority on how to get by with little income.

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  • LuckingFurker@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If it’s “very generous” I’m sure he’ll have no issue trying it himself to show us just how easy it is to live on benefits

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    • VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They’ve no problem with the Royals though being the biggest benefit scroungers.

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      • Lifebandit666@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Not to mention Corporate Welfare

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  • EdanGrey@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve had clients cry on the phone to me because their benefits wouldn’t be enough to live on. This minister knows nothing.

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  • MonsterMonster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Utter tosh

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  • Devi@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The current amount of universal credit for a single person is about £80 a week. The average gas and electric is £168, water is what, £25? Council tax, phone/broadband (because you now need internet access for universal credit), you're at around £250 just for bills. That leaves around £70 to live on for the week, for food, transport, clothes, anything else you need. It's impossible to live on.

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    • TIN@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think you’ve mixed weeks and months in your calculations. £80 a week, £320 a month. Bills at £250 in the month leaves £70 to live on for the month

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      • Devi@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I did mix the two in the end, yes, £70 a month. Will swap.

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  • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This sounds like exactly the sort of telling-off you would get at school when you were sent to another teacher for the telling-off

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  • RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Out of touch idiot. Wonder how much he earns compared to “generous” UC?

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  • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It would be so cool to burgle him.

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  • theinspectorst@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It's not either/or.

    The UK benefits system is not generous enough. But most shoplifting is drug-related, it's not Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread for his starving niece.

    The poor and their children suffer in Britain, but they do so while staying within the rules.

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  • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It would be so cool to burgle him.

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  • Biohazard@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    True.

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  • autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The cost of living crisis is “no excuse” for a rise in shoplifting, the policing minister has told Sky News, because the UK’s benefits system is “very generous”.

    Chris Philp’s comments come amid escalating levels of retail thefts, with increases blamed on inflation, organised crime and a lack of focus from police.

    Asked if he had any sympathy for people stealing to put food on the table, Mr Philp said gangs, criminal re-selling and drugs were largely to blame.

    A survey by the British Retail Consortium this year found levels of shoplifting in 10 major cities had risen by an average of 27% compared with 2022, costing businesses £1.76 billion over a 12-month period.

    Field officer Nick Strickland said one supermarket in the centre of the city had a day when it saw 15 thefts in the first two hours it was open, with thieves targeting the store before security guards arrived.

    In October, the Home Office announced a retail crime plan involving the creation of a team of specialist analysts to gather intelligence on gangs responsible for shoplifting.


    The original article contains 556 words, the summary contains 179 words. Saved 68%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    • Szymon@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In October, the Home Office announced a retail crime plan involving the creation of a team of specialist analysts to gather intelligence on gangs responsible for shoplifting.

      How much do you want to bet that nobody sitting down to that team asks why companies are disconnecting costs of items away from they cost to make to what people are willing to pay for them

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