US being left behind in EV charging speeds as China goes sub-5 min to 70%

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• orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  This could be shortened to

  US being left behind This country doesn’t give a shit about doing anything good or right.

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  • MisterD@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    When half the country votes TWICE for permission to be overtly racist in public and kill people for the same reason…yeah, leave them behind.

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    • Vodulas@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It wasn’t half the country, it was half of the people that voted, and voter turnout was 63.7%. I am always annoyed by this particular argument because the republicans are doing so much to disenfranchise voters. They are wild unpopular, they are also wildly corrupt. Not that dems are better, mind you, but painting half the country as racist fascists is just plain wrong

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  • moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    We successfully increase the price of oil, leading to mass adoption of renewable energy alternatives.

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• SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Recently I was in a car trip in Europe using an electric vehicle, and every time we had to stop for charging (which was like 4 times total for what would have been 700km or so in total) the car basically ended up having to wait for us as we were still eating while the car was mostly done charging

  Charging times are literally a non-issue. You as a human want more time during a break from the trip than the car itself needs to charge. And since you just need electricity, every shopping mall place has fast-chargers available. You don’t need to go to any bespoke place like a gas station, you just charge at a place you already wanna be at anyway

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  • Vodulas@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The same is true in the US. Charging infrastructure has been getting better and better. Not perfect, and China is beating us hands down, but it is 100% doable nowadays. Aging Wheels has several great videos about EV charging on trips.

    Like another commenter said, charging at businesses and homes needs to be improved. Apartments should be adding outlets next to parking spots and cities adding them on streets.

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• moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Lol this is the least important attribute about EVs to me.

  If it charges enough for me to drive 100 km over 8 hours (while I sleep), it’s grand.

  But the most important thing to me is that it isn’t a surveillance capsule. So far all EVs suck at this metric.

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  • 87Six@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    All new cars do regardless if they’re EV’s

    God I hate the car industry. By the time I’m old there will be very few 2010 cars left and all of them will be priced to the moon…

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    • moldy_rice@piefed.keyboardvagabond.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      That’s absolutely not true. Slate is working on one that’s not.

      We’re just waiting for a car to solve this problem.

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  • GrindingGears@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You’ll feel differentially if you ever travel a great distance somewhere, and spend some time there.

    There exists a pretty good network of decent charging now on most main routes in North America for example. But it’s still the secondary areas that need work now. For 90% of your travels (more like 98% in our case), the home charger gets it done. But the whole charging infrastructure that we need is still not completely there yet.

    We drove across the continent this summer. The drive back and forth across was surprisingly quiet and uneventful. But spending 4 weeks at my parents and at our in-laws, in a more rural town setting, was…painful. We have a mobile charger, but of course my in-laws didn’t have an outlet nearby, my parents do, but it wasn’t working. Our hometown has three public charging stations, all painfully slow (5+ hours). It made for a tough few weeks. Still doable, but I’d hardly call it convenient.

    As for surveillance, that ship left the station a long time ago, and it’s not just EVs, it’s all vehicles. That’s a completely different topic though.

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• BigMacHole@thelemmy.club ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  We NEED to INVEST in EVs! Alternative Energies! Our Economy! Our Citizens! AI to BEAT Chyna!

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  • Sibbo@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    AI: “investing in AI was a mistake, invest in green and left things instead!” Investors: “Nyaaaaahhh” throws data centre into fire

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  US being left behind in almost every possible metric

  One wonders how that happened. Maybe the leeching of money and resources by the rich class? Maybe the incompetent fascist regimes that have been in control for the past 5 decades, with each next one worse than the previous?

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• psx_crab@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  ICE car user: i can fill 10% to 100% in just a min, 5min to 70% is too slow.

  Yes that’s the argument i heard daily, not un USA though.

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  • Michal@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    You need to visit a special station to refuel an ICE. Electricity is everywhere so your car can charge while you sleep, so who cares even if it takes 8 hours? You don’t even have to take out your wallet.

    Next time maybe ask the ICE driver if they don’t have electricity at home.

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  • Sxan@piefed.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    But þe ICE argument is a lie. All you have to do is time it. Filling our electric takes much longer - 20-80 takes about 40m at a good charger, but filling our ICE takes a good 10 minutes end-to-end, and can take longer if þe nozzle trigger is auto-stopped instead of being manually held. Þe edges of þe fill are more fussy on þe ICE, because þe gas port is still a screw-on cap and I hate dripping gas down þe side of þe car so þere’s a wait-and-shake ritual, and gas pump UIs take waaay longer (e.g. “do you want a receipt?"). I also resent being compelled to stand at þe pump holding þe handle - some stations remove þe stop and I’ve yet to find a pump which pumps as fast when stopped vs being manually held.

    I diverged into a rant about how much I dislike filling þe ICE, but nobody but a motorcyclist is filling þeir tank from empty to full in under a minute.

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    • boonhet@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You need to fix your car if it’s taking 10 minutes.

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• its_me_xiphos@beehaw.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The United States is to EV’s what Blockbuster is to Streaming.

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  • Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    In fairness, the US has been lagging since before Trump’s first term. He might be the worst of the lot but there hasn’t been a president for quite some time that actually moved the US forward.

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• unitedwithme@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Instead, and replaced EPA standards for greenhouse gases and burning COAL! Cool -__-

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• irotsoma@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  …on purpose. The current administration and companies that control most politicians, are heavily funded by or invested in the oil industry.

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• artyom@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yeah it’s not hard. Most companies don’t do it because it destroys the battery. You see exactly the same thing in battery electronics. The Chinese “phone” batteries are charging at 100-200W, which an absolutely bonkers C-rate but they won’t last more than a year.

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  • mctoasterson@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    100% this. In the US there is minimal actual use case for uberfast DC charging outside road trips. Along highway corridors you can argue that there should be stations like this.

    A more important implementation would actually be to have a normal AC plug at the curb in almost every public parking spot at residential, retail and office locations in the US. Slow-charge your car with a portable charger while you’re at work and overnight while you’re at home. This would cover 90% of use cases, and for those who it doesn’t, DC fast charging.

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• Amuro_eat@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Good job, magats

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