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Would the US (if not the entire world) be better if that kid didn't break in to Harambe's enclosure over in the Cincinnati Zoo back in 2016?

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

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  • cattywampas@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Memes aside, probably not.

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  • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Theory: the death of Harambe was the moment that an entire cohort realized that the world is a deeply unfair place. So Harambe represents when their innocent internal world fell apart. I.e., they were young at the time.

    The evils of the AmeriKKKan empire vastly predate poor Harambe’s death. It’s been a white supremacist, settler-colonialist, patriarchal capitalist project from the very moment white people landed here.

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    • blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      /c/im14andthisisdeep

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      • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s really not, but AmeriKKKan settlers are so uncurious and shallow that it needs to be spoon-fed to them.

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    • DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t wanna sound like one of those “you said we should improve society, yet you live in it”. That said, you can say what you can say about the US (since you got the First Amendment), but how can say that yet you live in the US? Are you aware of the irony of living in the US in order to decry the country?

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      • AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If you ever conflate a people with a country, you’ve made a big, dangerous logical fallacy.

        I live here because I was born here. That says nothing about my moral character.

        I’ve done what I can as a citizen. It has not been enough. I’m not going to stop.

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      • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        you can say what you can say about the US (since you got the First Amendment)

        I’m gonna be real with you: if I actually went out and said this shit in public, I would be arrested, First Amendment be damned. People are currently being arrested for saying way tamer stuff. I am relying on the simple fact that Lemmy is a tiny anti-capitalist platform that the government doesn’t know or care about. Law in AmeriKKKa binds the poor and protects the rich. It’s always been this way, e.g. gun control got implemented after the Black Panthers armed themselves after generations of being terrorized by white gun owners. It’s just that Trump and company are too cheap to even lie to you about it anymore.

        Don’t take this personally, but I truly find appeals to the Constitution as “oh look at the freedoms you’re using but decrying” meme to be particularly infuriating. Like I don’t oppose freedom of speech, I just want it to actually apply to everyone, and I want there to be negative consequences for fascists who use their freedom of speech to take freedom of speech and literally everything else away from everyone else.

        Are you aware of the irony of living in the US in order to decry the country?

        Yeah I was born here and I can’t get out and stay out. If I could magically get out and stay out, I would leave immediately, never return, and not even say goodbye to anyone in the States until I’m halfway around the world. I wouldn’t even sell or throw out my shit, I’d just go and never return. There’s zero fucking irony about being born in a shit hole I can’t escape.


        Whenever AmeriKKKa appeals to human rights… it’s a pretext for whatever awful bullshit they want to do. AmeriKKKa is less interested, than literally any other group in the universe, in preserving your human rights. They only ever care about human rights when they can be invoked to justify violating someone else’s rights.

        That doesn’t mean I reject freedom or the rights that AmeriKKKa pays lip service to. From a principled anarcho-communist position, i.e. a position where freedom of speech, freedom of thought, autonomy, consent, and equality are core values, I reject AmeriKKKa and its bullshit promises because it fails to even attempt these values, only ever using them as a cudgel to destroy people and movements who actually do want to live by these values. And no, there’s not a Platonic ideal version of AmeriKKKa that does implement these promises but is just a handful of bad apples from perfection. AmeriKKKa has always been a colonizing mission from minute one. You can’t fix that. AmeriKKKa needs to be 100% rejected. No exceptions. No subtlety. Clean break.

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    • Azzu@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This, but instead of your rant against the US, just humans in general. Every country has those kinds of people that would enable evil. The only difference is that that in different places their evilness is allowed in different amounts/representation.

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      • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        rant against the US

        You call that a rant? This is a rant! 😆

        The only difference is that that in different places their evilness is allowed in different amounts/representation.

        Yes exactly. AmeriKKKa in particular allows for the maximal evil as a function of the maximal ignorance our privilege buys us. There are privileged people in every country, but AmeriKKKa has a culture which disproportionately exalts the characteristics of privilege, in particular our ability to be ignorant. In short: AmeriKKKa has a bourgeois culture.

        Like if AmeriKKKan settlers acted even a fraction as ignorant and uncurious as we do in the global South, we would all end up in nameless fucking graves as deaths by ignorance of the world we live in.

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  • FatVegan@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No and you should go outside if you think so.

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    • DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve been outside numerous of times

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  • RumAndCreole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It was the moment that savage stingray killed Steve Irwin.

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    • DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If only Steve Irwin didn’t go to that lake that day in 2006. RIP Steve Irwin.

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  • Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I personally think things took a turn after whatever dark forces the Chicago Cubs contracted with to evade their righteous and longstanding curse, but I guess the Harambe thing happened “first”.

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    • DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What?

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  • Beth@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Really it all started when the chipmunk made it into the particle collider.

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    • DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If only that chipmunk was taken back to their habitat by CERN security.

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  • glimse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is a straight up stupid question. Vague as hell with no real answer. Is this what this community is now?

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  • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The world would be better off if Hillary Clinton had been more ethical and less open to October surprises.

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    • AnalogRegression@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Dems and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. Two faced. The amount of democrats that continue to support aid to Israel is evident that the two party system is entirely corrupt.

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      • Soulifix@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        And ICE. They supported ICE, don’t forget that.

        They can’t say they’re siding with the immigrants anymore after having to help re-fund them earlier this year.

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      • DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Do you think we need a real Third Way?

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      • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Fair points all around.

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    • DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Either that, or Bernie vs. Marco would’ve been better than Trump vs. Clinton

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    • DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Do you think we need a real Third Way?

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    • vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Clinton? If they hadn’t fucked Bernie over in 16 nvm

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      • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You’re not wrong.

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  • JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Was it all just a bad dream?
    https://piefed.social/c/comicstripedits@lemmy.world/p/2054024/was-it-all-just-a-bad-dream-edit-rearrangement-of-k-c-green-s-famous-question-hound-seq

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    • DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Can you post a better link?

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      • JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        To what, exactly?
        You’ll rarely find a better link to the total “This Is Fine” arc that covers Harambe.

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  • Soulifix@piefed.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not really. Did it prevent the 2016 general elections from happening in the way they did? Probably not, as much as the internet made it seem, at the time. There were a lot of faucets going on that lead to those results.

    And I’m going to say this too because it is applicable to every other scenario now that Harambe has been brought up. The US was already a fucked up country, long before Harambe and just another added on the long, long list of things wrong with the country after Harambe.

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  • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Meanwhile in China, there was this rusty bicycle…

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