Politics in America has always been dirty. How does trump really stack up?

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• heavyboots@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Like an order of magnitude worse?

  • No sitting president before him has been a convicted felon.
  • No sitting president before him has been involved in the sheer volume of sexual scandals from assault to cheating to being implicated in possible pedophilia.
  • No sitting president before him has refused to return literally boxes and boxes of classified documents as trophies (or possibly as items for sale) while storing them in extremely inappropriate ways. (This is extremely different from Biden, btw, who promptly returned a few accidentally retained documents. Trump was playing shell games with them, repeatedly swearing he had returned them all while doing things like loading them on planes to move to other locations, etc.)
  • No sitting president before him has attempted to overthrow the government when they lost an election.
  • The level of bribery and corruption in his administration is off the charts.
  • The number of lies he tells has always been off the charts. (“I’ve never heard of Project 2025!” while having given a speech to its members and now following its plans to dismantle the federal government.)
  • His department heads have all been picked to dismantle the departments they’re in. (Project 2025 again)

  And then of course there is the christofascism angle, which is extremely disturbing because he definitely plans to never leave power again. He’s currently trying hard to normalize use of military force against US citizens so he can seize control of the elections to make sure they go his way.

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  • Ambiance6195@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Whoa you’re gonna scare people with those facts!

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    • Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Facts? What are those?

      There are 75 Million brain-washed idiots out there who we know, that can give a shit less about facts. Those people voted Trump in in hopes he'll - get this - lower egg prices. Now I know that's part of the reason but it was a large part. The same egg prices Trump would later tell everyone to shut up about, for real.

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  • Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Ok, all true.

    Just was hoping we could deep dive in american history but now I remember this site is still pretty shallowm

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You think that comment was shallow? Breh…

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    • Deestan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      If this is your reaction to a thoughful response, you are not going to find deep discussions anywhere.

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    • Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Sir, this isn't KiwiFarms. Please go be an edgy tryhard there.

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    • heavyboots@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I mean I don’t have the amount of time necessary to go into how dirty past presidents have been and I certainly don’t have the knowledge at my fingertips. But also, I think the stuff like Watergate and Monica Lewinski is barely a blip on the chart when you put Trump on it too. Which is not to say I condone the behavior of those presidents or seek to normalize their behavior. Just that from a numerical perspective it barely registers.

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• kmartburrito@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

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  • Deestan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If Wikipedia had balls

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• Deestan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  The Fallacy of the Beard

  Get your opponent to concede a point by burdening them with defining a strict threshold. Break their claim into smaller and smaller components and keep zooming in until you are looking at such tiny things that their original claims seem overblown.

  This man has a beard! Does he? Yes clearly! 20mm hair on chin!

  Would he have a beard I mean an actual beard if it was 5mm? No that’s just stubble! Where does it become a beard, at 10mm? I guess!

  So a man with 9mm hair has stubble? Yes! And he grows one measly millimeter of chin hair in on one of the hairs and BAM WHOA he has a beard now?

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• AA5B@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I’d like to know this too. We all know the issues with the current regime. It’s clearly the worst in our lifetime.

  But about if these issues may not have been apparent before the internet. There may be different corruption, different rubber stamps and hiding of corruption and crime

  As far as I can tell the current administration has cemented their place in history, with the sheer maliciousness and negative impact on the country and even the world. A Term which will live in infamy. Standing far below every other administration

  …. But will history agree?

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  • Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Lets be honest with ourselves, too, we are talking about slavers, white supremacists, ruling class, etc. etc.

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• TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  America were always (at least since Carter, 2nd world war ? Not American I probably forgot my president) colonialist in their exterior politics… now their facist about it.

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  • njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Do you smell toast?

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• mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  This is because of Trump, and others, practicing multiple forms of Catholicism (Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are the big three). Of course, every single politician gets their marching orders from the Pope in the Vatican, and all these false flags we’ve been seeing are Jesuit rituals designed to basically embarrass us. Ask my producer, Neigsendoig, how we’ve learned that.

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  • DomeGuy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    If the Pope was in charge health care would be single-payer, abortion would be emergency-only, and both gay marriage and capital punishment would be illegal.

    I wish I had the faith in human competency that conspiracy theorists demonstrate, but I think the truth is that humans are far stupider than that.

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    • mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’ve always had a strive to be reasonable with my explanations, even if I seem harsh at times. However, if someone decides to censor the truth, it’s likely they take the Mark of the Beast themself, and they have no idea (which is why a mod removed my reasonable comment based upon our research).

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  • undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I’m super atheist, I really hate religion and can’t stand any for of me but even I’m like “what the fuck?”

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    • mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Many people would be like that, so I get it. I was a Jesuit punk for most, if not all, of my life until I realized that I was making a huge mistake. This was the same with my producer.

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