Submitted 1 year ago by totallynotarobot@lemmy.world to [deleted]
I’m shopping for a new car, and would like to choose one made with the least bad labour practices, if possible.
My reading suggests there is literally no good choice, but curious if anyone here has a perspective that could inform my choice.
Is there any car company that shits on their workers less and/or chooses contractors/vendors that shit on their workers less than the rest? Or are we just doomed to drive around the blood sweat and tears of exploited persons?
Shopping in America.
Any German car company since they have unions, strict labor laws and many other regulations which make the life of workers decent.
It’s worth noting that a huge part of their manufacturing takes place outside of Germany where salaries are way lower and regulations aren’t as strict.
At least for cars sold in Europe often times they are still being assembled within the European Union even if in cheaper markets, so protections are still in place and strong. But cars are made of millions of components manufactured all over the world so there’s always at least some human suffering somewhere along the chain.
Sure regulations are not same as Germany but even in those cases there’s a lot of corporate culture that makes a difference. I know it first hand working in an automotive in DE and cooperating with people from foreign offices.
As a German, our car companies are still shady. One word: Abgasskandal
No, there isn't.
Do the actual ethical thing and buy a used car. You're putting money back into the hands of actual working Americans instead of companies, contributing dramatically less to climate change by reusing an existing product, you'll get a dramatically nicer vehicle, and save money too.
I actually do buy used cars, and am currently looking at used Honda and subaru thingies.
But the used car market affects the new car market, so I feel like the choice still matters even if I’m not buying new.
Well the most ethical thing would be not buying a car at all, which is perfectly feasible for a huge amount of people who just don’t even consider it…
Maximum ethics would be to kill yourself and allow nature to utilize your nutrients.
If you are buying a Japanese car that is made in Japan, that would be my suggestion but I don't know what the labour practises of US built Japanese cars is like.
I have don’t literally 0 research so I’m talking out my ass right now. But I would be shocked if cars made in Japan have good labor practices. In Japanese culture it is perfectly normally to work 12+ hours a day. They have one of the worst work cultures of any first world country. It’s so bad that most Japanese media that is about children, they rarely if ever mention the characters’ dad. Think about Pokemon. In most games, they never mention your dad. It’s not even weird that he’s completely absent. This is just a fact for Japanese children. They don’t even know their dads because their dads are always at work, and it’s just something they accept. The one pokemon game that I remember meeting your dad in, he’s actually at work, and you visit him at work (he’s a gym leader).
So my point is that I don’t know why car manufacturering in Japan would be any different than every other industry in Japan, which convinces workers to want to work 12-16 hours a day.
Anti union, but not horribly abusive from what I hear
Thanks for the suggestion!
Unfortunately I found this about Honda Canada (presumably same in US because they can), but I’ll see if there’s a way to get a Japanese made one.
The VIN tells you country of manufacture with the first digit. US is 1, Canada is 2, Mexico is 3, Japan is J, and Germany is W, to cover the main ones you’ll see in the US. You’ll likely have base your model choice on that. It’s not like you can request a Japanese Accord just for fun. Sometimes a particular trim might be built in Japan for some reason. I think the Subaru Crosstrek and most Mazdas are still Js
Subarus seem to be overwhelmingly made in Subaru’s facilities in Gunma.
As far as I know, final assembly in the US and Canada is just finishing and installation of various options.
Buy a Subaru Solterra. Built in Japan.
Maybe Volvo? Do note that Polestar cars are made in China, but Volvo ones should be made in Europe or US. I dont know how good the conditions in the american Volvo factory are but in Sweden, Volvo is considered a good employee. Volvo/Polestar are owned by Geely, which is a chinese company but Volvo is pretty independent.
Hadn’t actually considered a Volvo, but thanks for bringing it up! Good to know.
To quote Lindsay Bluth, “it’s so boxy”
Volvo has really improved their styling in recent years, IMHO. We bought an XC40 last year and so far we love it.
Not really relevant to “labour-friendly” though
FWIW my dad works at volvo and a lot of the parts arrive from china to only be assembled in sweden.
hold on to ur hunk of metal until its last mile, that way u would have spared a soul some human suffering
Bentley
Unfortunately not on my budget lol
Half joking . The used to be largely built by old men in a small town called Crewe in the UK. I doubt that’s still the case.
You could make an argument that any car made IN Germany would be a decent bet - I think the unions have good sway there.
More realistically, you're going to want to hire a proper custom coachbuilder to ensure you can oversee every aspect of the production process.
Buying used is pretty much the only way to go here. Preferably something like a 10 year old Toyota so that you’re not having to do repairs frequently and creating waste disposing of the old parts.
Other than that, maybe something like a kit car if you’re really serious about labor friendly? The components are usually made by a a small team of enthusiasts, but you’d be assembling the vehicle either yourself or through a local shop.
Huh, kit car is a thought. Left demolition derby behind me because I stopped having time to do stuff to cars myself tho, so it might be impractical.
NGL kinda want an excuse for an ancient highline.
Nah, Kit car was more of a joke reply. I couldn’t imagine what it would take to get a kit car reliable enough for regular use with insurance and registration (at least in the US).
When you said “new” car do you really mean new or is buying used an option
Sorry that was a doofus move on my part.
Most likely used. New to me.
Then you’re fine buying whatever. All suffering is absorbed by the first owner. Subsequent purchases are suffering free.
I mostly use „ let’s go alread-aaayyy“ and the heavenly „seven!“ from Benders game
I think you misclicked which comments you went to as it sounds like you meant to post this on the one about your most frequently quotes Futurama line.
As OP, I found their futurama quote helpful. I will tell all shady used car salesmen to bite my shiny metal ass.
Damn, yes, I did - but I finally have something for the Mlem bug report, so there is that.
This is such a circlejerk question I have no idea if you’re looking for an answer grounded in reality
Do the actual ethical thing and buy a used car. You're putting money back into the hands of actual working Americans instead of companies, contributing dramatically less to climate change by reusing an existing product, you'll get a dramatically nicer vehicle, and save money too.
grue@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In general, the only kind of company friendly to its workers is a worker-owned co-op. Otherwise, the relationship between management and labor is inherently adversarial, no matter how much management might try to pretend otherwise.
bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
If they are at least unionized then it might be okay
totallynotarobot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s kinda what I was hoping for but it is looking like that’s just not a thing.