Went from “vaping is 95% less harmful than smoking” to “ban it, think of the children” in only 5 years…
How much did the reversal cost Phillip Morris and RJR, do you suppose?
Ministers set to ban single-use vapes in UK over child addiction fears
Submitted 1 year ago by thehatfox@lemmy.world to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/sep/11/ban-on-single-use-vapes-in-uk-could-be-imminent
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aelwero@lemmy.world 1 year ago
9point6@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I mean this is specifically about disposable vapes, which never should have become a thing. They’re possibly the most wasteful disposable item we’ve ever come up with.
li10@feddit.uk 1 year ago
It does seem like loads of kids vape these days, and rather openly as well.
Disposable vapes should be banned because of the waste, and they should do the blank packaging approach for vapes/vape juice.
Just because it’s better than smoking doesn’t mean it’s good, and nobody really knows the long term health effects.
aelwero@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We obviously know there are adverse long term effects, because you know, we’re making the shit illegal all over the place…
Long term effects are a lack of yellow shit all over all your stuff and losses in tobacco tax and settlement revenue…
midgephoto@photog.social 1 year ago
ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Vaping may be a good alternative for a smoker. Some people find them a useful aid in quitting as it’s easier to slowly reduce nicotine content.
It’s is not contradictory to say vapes are bad. They can be better than cigarettes, but this doesn’t make them good.
Vapes are highly palatable. This reduces a barrier to developing a nicotine addiction. So there genuine concern when it comes to young people developing nicotine addictions.
However, the motivation for this ban is due to the waste produced by disposable vapes. The early vapes were reusable so this wasn’t an issue. These disposable vapes are responsible for alot of lithium batteries being irresponsibility disposed in the streets.
RobotToaster@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Nicotine on it’s own isn’t particularly addictive. It only becomes highly addictive when combined with the MAO inhibitors found in tobacco, primarily harman and norharman.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Don’t know how many times this keeps having to be said but nicotine is not the part of smoking that is addictive, it’s the habit. Nicotine is as addictive as caffeine.
The habit of biting my nails is why I haven’t been able to stop for nearly 30 years, nothing else.
It’s why pipe and cigar smokers don’t chain smoke… because nicotine isn’t there to hold them to it.
I agree, ban single use vapes, but acting like kids get addicted to vaping because of nicotine is bullshit. They do it because they think it’s cool, just like they did for cigarettes.
XpeeN@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
They talked about vaping as a concept. Like an RTA tank attached to a box mod. These single use vapes ruined the good rep of ecigs
aelwero@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m still rocking a $15 kato hammer clone I bought in 2014… “Box mod” made me laugh a little, I remember the MVP being the new hotness because it wasn’t round :)
My first vape ever was a joye e-roll. I would absolutely not have switched over as easily as I did if the two options were convenient little cigarettes or a big honking 18650 mod. E-roll wasn’t exactly a disposable, but that tiny little form factor was a big deal… a really big deal… it’s what allowed me to switch.
Which is all to say that I have zero interest in disposables, same way I have zero interest in training wheels on a bicycle, but they aren’t entirely without value.
BlinkerFluid@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Not much considering they’ve basically dipped toes into vaping rather than entire legs.
Most of the vaping industry is independent companies removed from the likes of the usual tobacco figureheads and single-use Vuse and Juul vapes(their brands) were fizzled out years ago.
PM and RJR do have their noses invested in some of those smaller companies, even Altria owned a chunk of Avail Vapor before they went to shit in the late 2010’s.
but their investors tend to be more cautious than the “black market” or smaller vape industry of juice bottles, single-use vapes and box mods, and they don’t touch Delta 8/10 vapes with a 39.5’ pole.
TheControlled@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Et tu Brute? (I’m a Californian just popping by)
Seriously though, fuck single use for environmental reasons.
fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You know… maybe getting addicted to nicotine isn’t such a clever idea on the first place?!?!
eran_morad@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Christ, all that plastic shit.
13p@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah I see these things littered absolutely everywhere and bins/benches/phone boxes are always pickled in the stickers. Can’t believe they’ve been legal for this long.
autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] 1 year ago
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Ministers are reportedly poised to ban single-use vapes, after a series of calls from councils, leading paediatricians and public waste campaigners to make selling the disposable devices illegal on health and environmental grounds.
It is due to be revealed in a consultation issued by the Department of Health and Social Care next week, though timings could alter, according to the Daily Telegraph.
Research by the not-for-profit organisation Material Focus said this amounted to eight vapes a second being discarded, with the lithium in the products enough to create 5,000 electric car batteries a year.
At the time, Prof Andrew Bush, a consultant paediatric chest physician at Royal Brompton and Harefield hospitals, said: “I am concerned that we are sleepwalking into a public health catastrophe with a generation of children hooked on nicotine.”
In July, MPs urged the government to introduce restrictions on the packaging and marketing of disposable vapes to tackle the alarming trend of children using these addictive products.
“That is why we launched a call for evidence to identify opportunities to reduce the number of children accessing and using vaping products – and explore where the government can go further.
The original article contains 481 words, the summary contains 192 words. Saved 60%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
HipPriest@kbin.social 1 year ago
I do hope this works to stop kids developing/continuing nic habits. Environmental reasons as well of course but really ever since juul came out teen vaping has been ignored instead of dealt with.
However, I can't help but think of the days at my school of us smoking and hope kids won't just take that up instead - luckily it costs a bomb these days so they probably can't afford it (no idea what disposables cost but guessing not as expensive as proper cigarettes!)
VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
As much as I hate disposable vapes I don’t believe they should be banned as long as cigarettes are not.
One will fall back tonthe other if ine is banned.
I do wish they both get banned as they are polluting the earth and damaging health for no good reasons.
Disclaimer I am Canadian and do vape (refillable vape mod) I used to smoke up to 50 cigarettes a day. I wish I was capable of stopping vape now but it’s hard.
JoBo@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I definitely agree with you about not making it attractive to kids. But vaping has increased by less than smoking has decreased. Kids who would otherwise experiment with cigarettes use vapes instead. Kids who got hooked on smoking use vapes to quit.
It’s not an easy balance to strike. I’m not saying we should encourage kids to vape! But it’s important not to lose sight of the prize. It’s a much better option than smoking, and less addictive too.
For the avoidance of doubt, of course disposables should be banned. On environmental grounds alone but also because they’re designed and marketed as impulse purchases for kids.
K3zi4@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As a teacher, my concern is that our school went from a small group of about 10 smokers, to now just about every kid has a fancy colourful and flavourful disposable vape. It is crazy the sheer number of them. And the number of smokers has dropped significantly in the last 10 years as well.
I don’t know if replacing the small number of smokers in the school for a huge number of vaping children is better, if I’m honest. The amount of them that are addicted to nicotine and energy drinks now is really quite scary.
HipPriest@kbin.social 1 year ago
Kids who got hooked on smoking use vapes to quit.
I'm not so sure about this. I don't have any sources but anecdotally it seems like a lot of kids have leaped into vaping without having ever smoked and have got nicotine habits. It began whenever Juul started marketing themselves as wanting to be the 'ipod of vaping' long ago and specifically targeted young people in the advertising despite what they might have said
Before then it wasn't a thing - it was adults who had found a way to stop smoking and were being left to do it in peace. I'll be proper annoyed if all this leads to me not being able to vape anymore because nothing else worked stopping me smoking. It's the lesser of two evils by a very long shot.
Imo you should have responsible licensed vape shops that sell these things, and I'd be fine with plain packaging - most of the stuff I get is pretty much in plain packaging already from vpz.
But if they ban disposables there's going to be an opening for a black market for dodgy stuff full of even more rubbish. Frankly, they should have done something about this a long time ago
Borkingheck@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve lived next to a high school for 10 years and it’s only since the pandemic ended I’ve seen kids smoking vapes whilst walking to school. The expensive cost of fags had people on rollies but that too became expensive, change in age for consumption and general loss of it being available really cracked down on underage smoking.
Now I see vapes littering the school and blazen adverts for them in the local co op. It’s ducking weird.
wombatula@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Single-use vapes should be illegal for waste reasons alone.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Yes - I was upset enough by throwing away the whole atomiser, never mind the whole device, battery, circuit boards and everything.
I use rebuildable atomisers now, so my e-cig waste is down to a 5cm bit of metal wire and a 4cm bit of cotton fluff every few weeks.
There was no reason for the disposable ones to ever exist.
AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
And then you have the dumb fucks in Canada that have banned RTAs so you can’t even buy cotton or wire in vape shops anymore. Have to order it online to keep my old RTA supplied.
Death_Equity@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The hassle of having to rebuild the atomizer, the danger of sub-ohm builds or shorts, the running of batteries below their safe limits causing damage that can lead to a failure, and fluid leaking are all good reasons for disposables.
What needs working on is how we manage the waste. You aren’t suppose to throw them in the normal trash and not all places that sell disposables accept the used ones. My local vape shop just started collecting them as well as 18650 batteries and it is a step in the right direction, but there still is a lot of manual processing that needs to happen in order to recycle them adequately.
There needs to be convenience and incentive involved to motivate people into dealing with the waste appropriately. Like having every retailer be required to accept the waste and having a considerable exchange discount.
HipPriest@kbin.social 1 year ago
I think drop in coils are a reasonable compromise between convenience/waste - the waste isn't very much and the coils I use last me a good long while (I vape MTL though so a coil can sometimes last me 2 months)