Would AI replacing humans in every workplace eventually make it easier for an advanced civilization from outer space to colonize us?

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨mrpres@sh.itjust.works⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

By workplace I mean everything that requires labor, I don’t mean just the employees but also the employers

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T156@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
No. Because any advanced civilisation capable of sending a colony ship across light-years to another planet is already so far outside of our current technological ability that it matters precious little.

We would be easy to colonise either way. Doubly so if they have some form of FTL technology to make that trip in reasonable time.

But there’s also an argument that anyone who can do so would have a much easier time not dealing with all of that and just colonising an uninhabited planet, or outright using materials for the task.

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- TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’ve thought about the way an excavator moves huge rocks and ant hills like they’re nothing. The driver doesn’t care about the ants, because he is focused on the construction site and staying on schedule. Maybe humans on Earth will one day be nothing more than an ant hill in the bucket of an excavator.
  
  If super advanced aliens can carry out galaxy wide construction projects, one planet won’t matter at all.
  
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  - DNU@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    dont forget your towel when the hyperway gets built.
    
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- IndiBrony@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I was colonised by an alien, once. It’s never been the same since.
  
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  - mrpres@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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Carrolade@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Probably not.

I also don’t see why any spacefaring civilization would have any interest in colonizing inhabited planets. It would just be more hassle for the same resources you could get on lots and lots of planets. If they have the technology for interstellar flight, they can probably extract whatever they want from wherever they want. Regarding living space, you wouldn’t even need planets, there are far more efficient structures you could devise when you don’t have to limit yourself to only what nature has provided.

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- OpenPassageways@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s an interesting thought, but an alien race could be more like hive insects and are just sending out ark ships as part of an instinct to survive and thrive in as many places as possible. Like the aliens in the Ender’s game series.
  
  Or like the race that created the Protomolecule in the expanse, they sent a probe into a system that looked promising possibly even before humans existed and had no way to know if it had intelligent life and their probe is basically going to autonomously consume organic material as part of building a highway off ramp.
  
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  - Carrolade@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Sure. It’s certainly not impossible, just unlikely when we consider all the possibilities.
    
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- Drbreen@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Unless they really really like gold and unbeknownst to us, gold is a scarce element in the universe and we happen to have a shit tonne of it.
  
  Then we’re fucked.
  
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- njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Who’s to say that for a civilization that advanced wiping us out in the process would not be any more hassle than just resource Gathering normally on any other planet? Who’s to say we be more than gnats or any other pest we deal with during resource extraction?
  
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  - Carrolade@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Just adds an extra, unnecessary step. It’d be like if you had billions of grocery stores to choose from and went to the one crawling with ants.
    
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FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I would think the same so-called AI that told us to eat rocks regularly, or that thinks it’s still 2024, or that “hallucinates” other stuff will make conquering our planet harder. Particularly, if these aliens are unaware of the concept of deception.

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slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Why bother sending humans at that stage?

Send the AI to colonise the place and treat it as a tourist destination.

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- mrpres@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I meant them colonizing our planets and do whatever to us (maybe experiments or something else they’d need since all the labor would be sustainable by AI itself)
  
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conditional_soup@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I don’t think I understand what the point of colonization would be. At some point, the cost of keeping slaves exceeds the benefit of the “free” labor you get from them; likewise with colonial administration. I think if a species had access to the kind of energy capabilities necessary to make an Alcubierre drive run, then that’s functionally a post-scarcity society for a number of reasons, and the only possible reason they’d want to colonize or enslave is if they’re just kind of hard wired to go out of their way to be major league assholes, even by human standards. Even if you somehow figure out a configuration of an Alcubierre drive that makes it so you could power it with a conventional energy source, that still bumps us way up towards post-scarcity because of all the cheaty/hackey bullshit we can now do in space. Deploying even a small array of solar panels around the sun to beam as much electricity as we could want to wherever we want would become a trivial task. Oh, an asteroid with sixteen quadrillion dollars of gold? Ez. Just pop on over and scoop up as much gold as you can fit on the ship. Want to colonize and mine the moon for a laugh? No problem, just pop on up there and set up your tent, no giant fucking rockets needed, that’ll be two seconds, please. Transporting goods, people, and cargo across the earth becomes comically fast and easy, no more need for big ass jets and airports.

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etchinghillside@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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Are you the one whispering into every CEOs ear about AI?

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- mrpres@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
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njm1314@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
In that it will lead to the complete collapse of our society and eventual Extinction of our species? Yeah probably

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Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Your question assumes a disconnect between labor and AI systems. AI is built on mounds of cheap labor already. It’s going to have to replace things like mines and miners and a TON of labor all the way up the chain (including data center upkeep). It we can do that and build this thing capable manufacturing the autonomous robots that replace human labor, then humans would be in a pretty good place technology wise to defend ourselves. We’re also talking like many many many years in the future when we could do this. We’re far more likely to run out of resources and be forced to be a multi planet species to seek out this dream.

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- mrpres@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  We’re also talking like many many many years in the future when we could do this.
  
  Thats why I mention no timeframe, my question is based on whenever the conditions I mention are met, not about how things are today which isnt nearly any good to get to that point
  
  pretty good place technology wise to defend ourselves
  
  Maybe but it would be hubris to assume if an advanced civilization capable to travel to other planets would be totally defenseless from us
  
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  - Thwompthwomp@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I think a lot of this is kinda what I’m getting at too — it’s such a far fetched question, that it almost doesn’t matter. We are making so many assumptions (since this is not something remotely feasible at the moment) that it’s all completely up on the air.
    
    I think maybe a different question might be: is there EVER a point where we are able to defend from an alien invasion. Which I’m not really sure what that answer would be. I think it’s not a technology question, but more of a political one since it would require a massive solidarity movement to unite.
    
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Emergency3030@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
No, and yes. Yes it’ll replace a LOT of humans by causing employer to reduce the number of positions available because if a task required 10 humans to get it accomplished with AI it might require only 5 or less people performing that job.

No, it won’t bring or call no advanced civilization since it’s a human invention. It’s smart but it still requires human intervention to keep it relevant. The information it learns and how it learns it is only relevant as us (humans/developers/employers) adjust it to be understandable by us and suitable for our needs or a task. Other than that it’s just a software with a ton of useless information. Someone has to code it so that the information it provides is relevant to accomplish a task/junction. It will always require human error checking. So it’ll still employ humans but less personnel will be required to maintain it.

And YES a lot of people will get laid off (fired from their employments/positions due to AI). Even tho it’s an amazing technology, it’ll kill a lot of people because global hunger is going to get real, unemployed people will disrupt the economies; the business social/community cycle will be disrupted. You need the majority of the population working for an economy to thrive hence the business social cycle.

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Kurious84@lemmings.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I just assumed they would not want what we produce and just have the planet.

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