Submitted 1 year ago by ALostInquirer@lemm.ee to [deleted]
As a point of comparison, Microsoft ships its OS across a variety of manufacturers and largely keeps it maintained across them (give or take some exceptions like enterprise environments & the like).
Even unlocked Android phones purchased independently of carriers have inconsistent lengths of support, so it doesn’t seem to be entirely a result of carriers, so…What happened here?
Bad design. Drivers are coupled tightly with the kernel, and when component manufacturers stop releasing the binary blob for newer kernels, everyone is fucked. Google could’ve mandated requirements for releasing drivers longer or requiring open source drivers, but they did none of that… so here we are.
Android actually has a HAL that takes care of the old driver problems. Should’ve been implemented everywhere somewhere around Android 9.
The kernel is still an issue, but that’s not going to change. If Google announces Android 14 must not use binary blobs, every phone manufacturer will release their new devices with Android 13 for years to come.
become so inconsistent
Your title implies that it was consistent at some point, but it wasn’t. Android updates were never consistent. In fact, it’s actually become more consistent in recent years, since the introduction of Project Treble. Most mainstream flagships now offer 4 years of updates, with some manufacturers even offering 5 years (Google and some Samsung flagships).
Was going to say, 6 or 7 years ago you could buy a flagship android phone that might get only a single large OS update.
Bad control over the hardware. Android is 100% open source, but alas, not all drivers are. To be honest, it’s by design of some manufacturers (Samsung for one, Mediatek is another) to keep drivers of hardware closed source so updating the OS of your particular Android based mobile OS lags hugely behind Android.
Android gets monthly security updates, which need to be included in the OS of the phone manufacturer. Lineage has weekly builds for their code which include the monthly security updates. Phone manufacturers are only required to 'supply updates for 2y after introduction of the model (not after end of sale), which requires them to give 1 upgrade (major version).
Alas, support for the wide variety of Android phones hinges now for 100% on the effort of the custom rom developers. For example: The 2011 Samsung Galaxy S2 has an unofficial Lineage 20 (Android 13).
To many devices running the same opensource software without the requirement to make the drivers open source.
Apple is completely closed, Microsoft has it’s Windows closed with the option for hardware suppliers to supply the drivers (which need to be conform to their specs) Android is based on the Linux kernel, which would require hardware manufacturers that make drivers for the kernel to supply the drivers, but alas, as it’s not a company, no methods to enforce this is available.
When you want consistent ANdroid updates, you need to either:
Do you happen to know of any brands that fall into category 2?
I just searched this up and saw that Google Pixel 6 and later phones will get updates for at least 5 years from when the device first became available on the Google Store in the US, including security, software, and may also include feature drops but I hope more people respond to your question with more brands and models.
I see lots of confusion here. Android IS NOT Free/Open Source software, at least not the one you get with your phone. It's true that the bare bones OS is FOSS, but the same is true with iOS and Darwin. But they have a lot of proprietary crap on top of them.
The reason for offering a longer or shorter period of OS updates is a business decision, not a technical matter. There's at least one android phone (fairphone that I know of, not an ad or anything) with 7 years of updates, which is longer than the iPhone.
These arguments of costs of development and having to support hardware fall apart when you take into account that some smaller vendors are offering longer support than bigger ones like Samsung or hwawei, and when you look at which hardware they mount, it's basically the same. Same processors, very little variety in cameras and screens...
Qualcomm needs to maintain their drivers to make updates easy, but they usually do that for just a few years. Once they stop, updates usually stop as well because the smartphone manufacturers don’t want to do qualcomm’s work in addition to their own.
It’s a major issue that hurts android as a whole and unfortunately there isn’t an easy solution because qualcomm basically has a monopoly for high-end SoCs.
It all boils down to the basic difference between the two Operating Systems.
Android, or rather The AOSP (the Android Open Source Project) is an open source operating system. That means that it’s openly accessible to all, open to tinkering and tweaking. This is both the best and the worst part about Android.
Best, because it means people like you and I can create custom versions of Android if we want (look up custom ROMs). Plus we can look at the code and see if there’s anything we like or don’t like. It’s great from a safety standpoint.
Worst, because this means that it needs to be optimised by manufacturers for each and every device they make. Since AOSP is a general OS, they need to make sure it works with the hardware in their device, with their camera and their processor. That takes considerable effort, although if they chose to focus on a select few devices every year, they’d be able to do so.
Windows, on the other hand, is a closed source operating system, meaning Microsoft makes the operating system and distributes it. It can be modified, and various drivers can be installed, but that’s about it. That’s also better and worse than Android.
Better, because it’s kind of a one size fits all approach. They can push an update and the device manufacturers only have to make minor adjustments most of the time.
Worse, because if Microsoft screws up, the whole world is on fire. And you can only modify the OS, not see what it actually contains. Plus, unlike Android, Windows needs heavy modifications for any shape that’s different from the regular. They messed up their Mobile OS platform (RIP WINDOWS PHONE) and while some laptops are experimenting with the form, like the dual screen Yoga Book or whatever, it’s still very much a janky mess.
As a result, Android updates can be largely inconsistent. Hope that helps.
There is something off with your reply. GNU/Linux exists and works fine with different kind of hardware while being FOSS.
Right? And also two things:
First, android is FOSS the same as Darwin (the system under iOS) is. Apple puts its proprietary drivers, ui, and other apps the same as android phone vendors do.
An second, Free Software/Open Source doesn't mean that you have to ship the phone with all the code anyone pushes. You have control of your repository. You can pay developers and only include the software the build. FOSS means that the user of the software has access to the source code, as well as other rights like modifying or redistributing it.
I see in a lot of discussion about free software some people say things like 'the code is open to everyone so you don't know what they can put there' as if there were no filter or anything
Yes, but the question only spoke about Windows and Android so I tried not to dive too deep into other things… I assumed the community is for simple and to the point answers…
Like a lot of people already mentioned, it’s because of hardware driver’s mostly. But let’s not forget Microsoft has this figured out mostly already, since pretty much all drivers that have a version for Vista 64bit (2006) works on Windows 11.
Android is catching up a bit though, they split the update process and you now receive security updates almost directly from google since Android 10.
It’s not the carriers, it’s the hardware. I think Windows support for old systems was really the outlier, and they are getting less willing. Security features, like chips with separate memory for keys, or other new hardware requirements can’t always be filled in with backwards compatible software, and manufacturers choose which to include knowing the device will have a shorter or longer support life.
IMHO, you’re probably going to varying answers to this question. And I would argue that most of the barriers stem from Android’s greatest strength.
It’s open, it’s customizable, and hardware manufacturers have been given the room to set their own courses. Problem is, that extra wiggle room also creates more fragmentation.
Cause the brand of the phone decides how long it stays updated even if its running stock android. So lets say the average life of a Samsung is two - four years why support it longer when you can let it fall outta support to further create a need to upgrade.
Lots of roms let you run really modern android on old phones cause they put in the work. But a company turning a profit does really have a need to support phones for a long time.
svellere@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Mrduckrocks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Good explanation and lines in with why iPhone get years of support as they have full control of hardware and drivers.
stappern@lemmy.one 1 year ago
a huge asterisk here. apple cuts off support to perfectly valid devices for greed. since they dont have any hardware limitation. an ipad mini 2 today is a brick basically, because fuck you buy another product bitch.
Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 1 year ago
Kind poster, I understood about 4% of what you wrote and absorbed 2% (entirely not your fault). Would you say that this explains why Google only supports their Chromebooks for 5 years?