The amount of crying on here over every little thing is wild.
Did lemmy.world really defederate from the pirate instance? Totally unacceptable if so
Submitted 1 year ago by psychothumbs@lemmy.world to support@lemmy.world
https://www.reddit.com/r/Lemmy/comments/15qzh6d/the_largest_piracy_community_is_now_blocked_from
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ExcursionInversion@lemmy.world 1 year ago
VerifiablyMrWonka@kbin.social 1 year ago
Why unacceptable? As the runner of an instance I get to have control over my own little walled garden - it's literally the primary strength of federation. If anyone, at any time, is unhappy with the content moderation policies of the admins of their Mastodon/Calckey/Peertube/Lemmy/kbin instance then they are able to find a new home - or maybe start one of their own, like dbzer0 did.
psychothumbs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Not sure I understand your point - yes the runner of the instance has the ability to do whatever they want, but that doesn’t mean whatever they want to do is a good idea. If the decision is implemented my response would indeed be to move to a different less problematic instance, after complaining a bit to see if I could get the decision reversed rather than having to flee.
FinalBoy1975@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Actually, that could be the reason why sometimes the user finds things unacceptable, because some instance owners treat their instance like their “own little walled garden.” It’s a real pain to shop for an instance when you don’t want a walled garden but rather an open medium through which to access content you wish to see. I see some instance owner decisions as reasonable (like staying away from misinformation and fake news) and I see others as a little bit unreasonable. I try to stay out of walled gardens. I like to roam free and make decisions for myself because I’m a smart boy, I know what I want and how I want it.
cloudless@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Who is going to pay for the legal fees if the admins get sued?
brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
There were no legal issues or threats, it was just some troll with a brand new account from a different instance that tricked admins into blocking those communities. See the other post lemmy.world/post/3175920 (if it loads, lemmy.world having uptime issues as usual)
krayj@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Most rational people choose to limit their exposure to liability before it happens rather than increase their exposure to liability and wait around to later have to defend yourself.
Are you suggesting the proper course is to maximize your exposure to liability and then be forced to defend yourself later?
MrQuallzin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No legal issues or threats yet. Nothing wrong with proactively protecting themselves from potential legal issues.
freamon@endlesstalk.org 1 year ago
No. As it says in the post you linked they just blocked the community.
It’s not just the biggest Pirate Community btw, it was one of (if not the) biggest Community across all of Lemmy.
krayj@lemmy.world 1 year ago
No. There was no defederation.
lemmy.world/instances is the public list of which foreign instances are federated with or blocked. LemmyWorld is federated with dbzer0 still.
Lemmy.world did ban several priracy-related communities from multiple foreign instances and that were hosted directly on Lemmy.World, and you can see that activity in LemmyWorld’s public modlog here: lemmy.world/modlog . Hint (filter by action = “removing communities”).
cerevant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
A fundamental weakness of Lemmy is that every instance has to mirror all the content it’s users have subscribed to. This means that each instance is hosting that content, and is legally liable for hosting it.
I can certainly understand why the admins would choose not to violate their country’s laws.
sharkfucker420@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
It really isn’t that hard to just make another account on whatever instance hosts your favorite piracy community. I don’t really see the problem here
FinalBoy1975@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The best solution is to just create an account on the instance that hosts the community, MATIES! ARRRRR!
dingus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A piracy focused instance that is hosted in a country with minimal to no piracy laws sounds like the way to go.
I don’t get why all of the 12 year olds on here are bitching that the admins don’t want to deal with potentially getting the instance shut down and/or jail time. People don’t understand that the real world has consequences.
AngryAnusHornets@lemmy.world 1 year ago
[deleted]FinalBoy1975@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you have the means to do so, you should do it. I saw an instance today that is like that. It’s called radiation.party, I think. I would do things this way if I could. I just don’t have the equipment at home at the moment and my ISP won’t allow me to have a static IP. All you need is a computer you don’t need to use for other things plus a static IP.
quinten@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A statement will follow from the admins. When exactly it will be, I honestly don’t know.
freamon@endlesstalk.org 1 year ago
quinten@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah. I mean a statement on LW itself. That was yesterday indeed.
psychothumbs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A statement denying this nasty rumor about their behavior I hope?
madcaesar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There has to be a better way to handle this. Instead of just showing nothing maybe a nsfw image or something with a link to the instance? I don’t know… But just defederating can’t be the solution. Totally kills the point of lemmy.
I actually stoped my donation and created an account on a different instance.
I’ll pump money into severs hosting in non bullshit countries then. We need to be better protected otherwise this will never work.
Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
They did not defederate, they just blocked the instance (so basically what you are suggesting)
krayj@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
they just blocked the instance
They did not block the instance. They blocked a community on the instance. Huge difference.
The rest of dbzer0 and all its other communities are still federated and visible from lemmy.world.
psychothumbs@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What’s the distinction of it being blocked vs defederated? I just want to make sure I can see their posts and they can see mine.
AnonTwo@kbin.social 1 year ago
Oh sure, let's go to Reddit to talk about Lemmy