Does this instance have a stance on right wing disinformation communities?

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• rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The admin here takes a conservative stance on defederation. He doesn’t do it unless there are lemm.ee rules violations or network abuse. I haven’t looked at any explodingheads content, but if does not violate any lemm.ee rules and presents no network abuse it will probably not get defederated.

  I agree with the lemm.ee’s admin philosophy on defederation and that’s one of the reasons this is my home instance. In general you can’t call for defederation just because you don’t agree with content. If it’s blatantly offensive then I suppose that would be valid grounds, but I would hope that reason is used sparingly. I mean discussion that’s offensive to you may not be offensive to me.

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  • Asthmatic_Goose@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s hosted on this instance: lemm.ee/c/vaccines

    “All reports calling post here missinformation will be ignored unless the post says that covid vaccines are healthy. Which is dangerous missinformation because covid vaccines kill.”

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    • NuPNuA@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Given that even twitter is full of that these days, is a Lemmy community the end of the world? Idiots are going to keep believing their stupid beliefs.

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    • CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !vaccines@lemm.ee

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  • lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This isn’t about defederating it’s about misinformation communities being hosted on this instance.

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    • shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Calling to institute a brutal theocratic dictatorship and genocide all LGBT+ people is blatantly offensive.

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  • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So in other words, it’s been taken over by right-wingers. 🤦 Wasted my time again.

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    • Razp@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not everything you disagree with is right wing. You sound like an American lol FYI this server owner is Estonian, one of the most liberal countries in the EU.

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    • Venomnik0@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you want to create an eco chamber for yourself, you could’ve just said so.

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    • Bongles@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well that’s an overreaction. That vaccines community mentioned here sounds stupid but to say this entire instance has been taken over by right wingers because of one nut job? Is that really what you’re saying?

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• aleph@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This instance is still federated with explodingheads, so I wouldn’t expect anything to come of this. I saw the community you’re speaking about and it seems to be pretty small-time. You’re best off just blocking it.

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  • lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Do I even want to know what that is? I’ll give the admins a chance to respond but if I don’t agree with the response I’ll just delete my account here, because otherwise more of this will pop up and I’ll have the entire instance blocked and then what’s the point?

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    • aleph@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Explodingheads is an edgy, red-pilled, manosphere-loving, alt-right instance. A real den of scum and villainy type place. Many of the larger instances have already de-federated with them.

      I have to say, though, despite the fact that Lemm.ee hasn’t yet followed suit, I haven’t seen any posts from there in the local/all feeds.

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• dmention7@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s barely even misinformation, but definitely some of the laziest trolling I’ve seen in years.

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  • lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    He’s doing that because I upset him but if you look at the actual links they go to known disinformation sites.

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    • dmention7@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well that’s just sad.

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    • SuperSpaceFan@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      which community?

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• shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is a general-purpose instance on a decentralized platform that doesn’t have much of an algorithm. All of us here most likely run into things we don’t like or want to see, and as long as it’s not illegal I think things like this will still be allowed. You can always block communities and follow ones that you like to tailor what you see. If you’re looking for more specific content all around, I’d join an instance that’s more specific to the type of content you’re looking for

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  • lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We’re talking about a community that is dedicated to posting misinformation and apparently trolling. It is very common for that kind of content and community to be explicitly forbidden in general purpose online communities because that isn’t general purpose content. This isn’t a matter of things people simply don’t want to see. It’s content that has proven to be problematic for any community that it infiltrates and generally results in a decline in quality and decorum.

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    • shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I agree. The unfortunate reality is that the line between misinformation and opinion is very different from person to person—especially when it comes to politics. It’s easy to moderate and remove illegal content based on local laws of the country an instance resides in, but trying to moderate content from a single U.S. political party raises more questions and will take more volunteer manpower from admins. We would need to define as a community:

      1. What is the criteria for a misinformation or trolling community?
      2. Will we defederate from entire instances if they meet the criteria for misinformation/trolling?
      3. Will we regulate all types of communities (like technology, hobby, humor, culture, news, and war-related communities), or will we only regulate politically-driven communities.

      I still don’t think this is the right move. I joined the Fediverse because of the ability to post and consume content without any person or entity manually or automatically determining what I can and cannot see. I specifically chose this instance because of it’s relaxed policy on defederation. I value being able to see all content and be aware of everyone’s voice, even if it is blatantly false information or offensive.

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  • WoodlandAlliance@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah of course. I think there are some big-picture issues with moderating “misinformation” and “propaganda” because of how different those definitions can be from person to person. One person might see something as misinformation, while someone else might not see it as misinformation. Another person might value seeing both sides.

      “Misinformation,” and “propaganda” are both by definition based on the intentions of the creator, and that’s a difficult thing to try and regulate in an unbiased way while retaining human rights of expressing thoughts and beliefs. A worldwide general purpose instance on a decentralized social network should not be removing content based on assumed intentions or offense.

      If we’re dead honest, we are all just repeating things we’ve read, heard, or learned from someone else. Very few of us were actually present in the moment something was done or decided. I think we all should have the freedom to express what we’ve seen, heard, or learned from somewhere else here on this instance.

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  • raptir@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m new here so I don’t have much of a vote, but I have mixed feelings here. I like the idea of not blocking content, but at the same time I think a Vaccines community that is dedicated to spreading misinformation is not something healthy to have.

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    • shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, it’s difficult. If it’s bots/automated posting, that very clearly goes against this instance’s policies.

      I like being able to see the full picture, including false information, so removing communities in this way effectively steals that freedom from me.

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    • PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Reactionary communities are also the bedbugs of social media.

      Once they established themselves on reddit, they quickly spread to other subs and overwhelmed their content with brigading and vote manipulation, trying to push lonely, frustrated people into the far-right funnel.

      Thats why I’m not interested in an instance that tolerates them. “Getting an inch and taking a mile” is exactly their statetgy and they’ll quickly render local communities worthless.

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• shogun5000@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m more concerned about left-wing disinformation on Lemmy

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• Madbrad200@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They suggested to me that I block their community but I will not because that is how you get a cesspit of an instance

  Who cares? Just block it and carry on as normal. What other people do doesn’t effect your enjoyment of lemmy at all.

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  • lemmyshmemmy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is a terrible attitude to have towards disinformation.

    We should defend the quality of the information we get through social media. It has considerable influence over how we perceived the world and live our lives.

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    • Madbrad200@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There’s disinformation all over the internet, I block it and get on with my life.

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    • shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Are you sure your definition of disinformation is absolute truth? Maybe someone else comes along with a slightly different definition of disinformation. Which one of you makes the calls?

      Why do you think this should be a global policy regulated by several admins as opposed to something we can each do ourselves?

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• mojo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  God I fucking hope not. There are plenty of other servers that take this stance that you can sign up on. Don’t try to change this instance when there’s a million out there that already do what you’re looking for

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  • lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You…you want to be on a server that allows the intentional dissemination of harmful disinformation? There are lots of instances that allow that for you to sign up on.

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    • mojo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, and that’s why I signed up for it. Feel free to not join lol.

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    • shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Remember, this is a global general-purpose instance with a wide variety of backgrounds and worldviews.

      With that in mind, I think I should have the choice to see information if I want to—even if someone else determines that it is incorrect, right?

      From my perspective, you can learn extremely valuable things from the corrupt (the horrific history of my country for example) just as much as the good. Removing information like this effectively removes my ability to see the full picture. By definition, this is censorship. It is removing content based on someone’s opinion of the content itself.

      If your going to tell me that your definition of disinformation is 100% truth, I’d love to hear how you got to that conclusion.

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  • calabast@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Sounds like the admins removed that community, so I guess this instance is just another one of the millions 😄 Best of luck to you in your search for a new instance!

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    • shootwhatsmyname@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      From the very brief statement admins made about the removal, it sounds like those users might have been creating multiple accounts and manipulating the platform more than once. I never saw any comments from admins on their stance towards right wing disinformation communities.

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    • mojo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Allows federating with them, not allowing it to be posted on their server.

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• PvtGetSum@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The amount of idiots sitting here defending right wing propaganda trolls is fucking incredible. No one wants them, and they ruin everything they come in contact with, ban them. It’s not the end of the world, and if they wanna spread their bullshit let them pay for their own server to host it on. ThE fAr LeFt nEoLiBeRaL eLiTe ArE SiLeNcInG uS. Get real, no one buys your bullshit, and no one wants to pretend to have a conversation with you

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• rebul@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I find the content engaging and uplifting.

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  • Bipta@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    One of this accounts most recent comments:

    Posted by a kid. Or a groomer.

    Unsurprisingly your comment received nothing but downvotes because you mistake enraging for engaging.

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    • rebul@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Bless your heart, you have nothing more to do with your life than recon on people's interweb accounts.

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    • LexiconDrexicon@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This isn’t reddit

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