I don’t understand why using AI is what makes this illegal. I don’t know the laws in Spain, but would it be illegal if they used a pencil or a paint brush? Seems like a weird line to draw if not.
Court ordered penalties for 15 teens who created naked AI images of classmates
Submitted 9 months ago by sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al to technology@beehaw.org
https://arstechnica.com/?p=2036279
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thegr8goldfish@startrek.website 9 months ago
Ava@beehaw.org 9 months ago
The minors were charged with 20 counts of creating child sex abuse images and 20 counts of offenses against their victims’ moral integrity. The article doesn’t make the claim that the AI is what makes it illegal, simply that AI was used. It’s literally the second sentence.
Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
As far as I understand; it’s not the tools used that makes this illegal, but the realism/accuracy of the final product regardless of how it was produced.
If you were to have a high proficiency with manual Photoshop and produced similar quality fakes, you’d be committing the same crime(s)
creating child sex abuse images
and
offenses against their victims’ moral integrity
The thing is, AI tools are becoming more and more accessible to teens. Time, effort, and skill are no longer roadblocks to creating these images; which leaves very very little in an irresponsible teenagers way…
CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
Which still seems kinda dumb. How realistic is too realistic?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 9 months ago
Not the company making the CSAM machine though.
mozz@mbin.grits.dev 9 months ago
In addition to probation, the teens will also be required to attend classes on gender and equality, as well as on the "responsible use of information and communication technologies,"
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What?
Have you not interacted with teenage boys?
I can think of not much more of a better way to teach them there are no consequences and they can keep doing this as long as they smirk and say they’re sorry whenever they get caught
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
The minors were charged with 20 counts of creating child sex abuse images and 20 counts of offenses against their victims’ moral integrity
Punishment or not, those charges are still scary. I think the probation and courses are a good addition.
mozz@mbin.grits.dev 9 months ago
I don’t think those are additions, I think those are the punishments for those charges, in full. I could be wrong but that’s how I read it.
unconfirmedsourcesDOTgov@lemmy.sdf.org 9 months ago
I disagree, these children are minors and the their behavior, while abhorrent, belies a fundamental lack of perspective and empathy.
I’ve been a teenage boy before and I did some bone-headed things. Maybe not this bad, but still, I agree with the judge in this instance that it would be inappropriate to impose permanent consequences on these kids before their life even gets started because they were stupid, horny, teenage boys.
Even if we assume that these kids don’t all have well-meaning parents who who will impose their own punishments, having a probation officer in high school is not going to help with popularity. Then, mandatory classes that will force these boys to evaluate the situation from another perspective seems like a great add-on.
I know it doesn’t feel like justice, but our goal as a society shouldn’t be to dole out maximum punishment in every instance. The goal is to allow all of us to peacefully coexist and contribute to society - throwing children in a dark hole somewhere to be forgotten isn’t going to help with that.
Having said all of the above, it feels like a good time to emphasize that we still don’t have any good ideas for solving the core problem here, which is the malicious use of this technology that was dumped on society without any regard for the types of problems that it would create, and entirely without a plan to add guard rails. While I’m far from the only one considering this problem, it should be clear enough by now that dragging our feet on creating regulation isn’t getting us any closer to a solution.
At a minimum it feels like we need to implement a mandatory class on the responsible use of technology, but the obvious question there is how to keep the material relevant. Maybe it’s something that tech companies could be mandated to provide to all users under 18 - a brief, recurring training (could be a video, idc) and assessment that minors would have to complete quarterly to demonstrate that they understand their responsibilities.
mozz@mbin.grits.dev 9 months ago
I've been a teenage boy before and I did some bone-headed things. Maybe not this bad, but still, I agree with the judge in this instance that it would be inappropriate to impose permanent consequences on these kids before their life even gets started because they were stupid, horny, teenage boys.
Completely agree with 100% of this
I’m just saying that I think the answer lies somewhere between “take some classes and promise not to do it again” and “adult prison”. They imposed significant harm to another human being, in a way that’s so significant that we all agreed it should be illegal. Yes, I know that probably wasn’t the intent on their part. But this kind of “oh but I just got horny and just kind of didn’t care / wasn’t focused on what the impact was” is not a thing you wanna teach them there’s some wiggle room with as long as they make sure to apologize about it.
Community service? Home arrest? Fuckin something? I’m not saying put them in the hole.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
I’ve been a teenage boy before and I did some bone-headed things
Same.
I would be surprised if anyone with the same history didnt do at least a few completely boneheaded things at one point in their youth.
LallyLuckFarm@beehaw.org 9 months ago
when reached for comment, the makers of the ai tool stated that they were shocked that the tool was used for the purpose for which it was built
/s because it’s not a real quote but also:
/sschizanon@beehaw.org 9 months ago
I am so lucky I wasn’t in school when AI was around.
BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 9 months ago
People used to say that about social media
lowleveldata@programming.dev 9 months ago
Can’t say I’m surprised
FlashMobOfOne@beehaw.org 9 months ago
[deleted]DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 9 months ago
Said the loser arguing for the enslavement of children.
ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de 9 months ago
When you’re a horny teenager you don’t think of that as CP. You think those are your classmates of your own age and you want to see them naked.
The AI tool is the problem here.
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In addition to probation, the teens will also be required to attend classes on gender and equality, as well as on the “responsible use of information and communication technologies,” a press release from the Juvenile Court of Badajoz said. In addition to mental health impacts, victims have reported losing trust in classmates who targeted them and wanting to switch schools to avoid further contact with harassers. Minors targeting classmates may not realize exactly how far images can potentially spread when generating fake child sex abuse materials (CSAM); they could even end up on the dark web. An investigation by the United Kingdom-based Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) last year reported that “20,254 AI-generated images were found to have been posted to one dark web CSAM forum in a one-month period,” with more than half determined most likely to be criminal. While lawmakers struggle to apply existing protections against CSAM to AI-generated images or to update laws to explicitly prosecute the offense, other more drastic solutions to prevent the harmful spread of deepfakes have been proposed. Ars could not immediately reach Meta for comment on efforts to combat the proliferation of AI-generated CSAM on WhatsApp, the private messaging app that was used to share fake images in Spain. — Saved 72% of original text.
68silver@beehaw.org 9 months ago
I’m so old the only AI tools we had were drilling holes into the girl’s locker room shower walls.
Ilandar@aussie.zone 9 months ago
I’m surprised by some of the comments here. So much hatred for the teenagers but very little reflection on the responsibility of us as adults to create a world which is safe and understandable for young people. The real story here is not about the actions of the boys, it is about the actions of the people operating the websites they used, the big tech companies who created the tools and the governments (which we adults vote for) failing to properly regulate any of this. Generative AI is a disaster for young people and it was adults who created and unleashed it on them.
Michal@programming.dev 9 months ago
We (adults) created a world with knives, guns, automobiles. But if any of these were used by a child for manslaughter would you still blame collective adults? No, parents are held responsible for protecting their children and controlling their access to dangerous tools.
Ilandar@aussie.zone 9 months ago
Bad argument. None of those things are easily accessible by, or even targeted at, teenagers. Generative AI is a technology that big tech is specifically building into the social media platforms and devices that young people use every day and there is no regulation or education to protect against from the dangers it poses.
mrpants@midwest.social 9 months ago
Yeah. Society is responsible for the outcomes of its children. It shouldn’t personally hurt your feelings but it should motivate your actions.
tesseract@beehaw.org 9 months ago
I’m an adult and am not responsible for anything you described. They were all there even before I was born. In fact, the same may apply to my parents or even grandparents. I’d rather blame a sociopolitical class than any single generation for all those ills.
But to answer your question, yes, I’d blame that entire class for the harm caused by young people using murder tools they introduced. They did it with the full knowledge of its consequences. They valued momentary material gains above the wellbeing of entire generations. They absolutely should be punished for all the mass shootings in schools, because they knew it could happen. Yet they chose the blood money. Similarly, if an entire city is under a drugs epidemic (like the current opioid crisis), wouldn’t you want to hunt down the producers and suppliers, instead of the users?
Umbrias@beehaw.org 9 months ago
I mean I would and do in fact literally blame societal and familial problems when kids are brutal, unkind, or hurt others, and similarly blame societal and familial problems for when kids are not protected from brutal, unkind, and hurtful things.
Why are you saying the things you’re saying like a gotcha? Do you not feel that society has a significant impact on the behavior of youth?
awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Would the impact have been any different if they had used photoshop?
Ilandar@aussie.zone 9 months ago
Since when could someone do this in Photoshop with a couple of clicks and zero training, for free and on any device? Since when has Adobe specifically marketed Photoshop as a tool for creating sexually explicit images?
Tiltinyall@beehaw.org 9 months ago
I sometimes think AI is code for something of a normal computing capacity, but with the ability the decentralize and create a market of buzzword style shovelware pump and dumps.
Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
I haven’t seen a single comment like you described
Ilandar@aussie.zone 9 months ago
A bunch of comments were removed/deleted.