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• TheButtonJustSpins@infosec.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The trouble is, you’re looking for internal consistency to their arguments. You need to look at the theme of the arguments: namely, they don’t like the “black people exist in the USA” part.

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  • BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    People are complex, and sure, some are just racist, but I don’t think it’s that simple.

    Hatred isn’t nearly as powerful an emotion as fear. White people complaining about non-white main characters aren’t necessarily racist; it’s more likely, I think, that they’re afraid of losing the only consistent part of the white identity: being the “default” race.

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    • PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That’s racism with extra steps

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    • gedaliyah@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Racism is not just a belief or a behavior, but a system of disenfranchisement. The system of reinforcing white as the “default” is part of racism. Someone who harbors no specific beliefs about other races, but acts to support the inequality of racial groups is still being racist.

      Or as another user put it more succinctly, “racism with extra steps.”

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  • Damage@feddit.it ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They want someone below them to oppress and/or feel superior to; if those people were completely erased, they wouldn’t be happy about that either, unless they could find new victims.

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• jaspersgroove@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

  -Jean-Paul Sartre

  Replace ‘anti-semites’ with ‘right-wingers’, and there’s your answer

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  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s kind of accurate when you remember since the Palestinians are actually from the region, they’re a semitic people. The Europeans who immigrated to Israel are modern anti-semites and act per that quote.

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    • Resol@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Congratulations, zionists. You played yourselves.

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    • gedaliyah@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Jews are Semitic.

      Antisemitism refers specifically to hatred and persecution of Jews.

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• ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Why do right-wingers say that minorities must create their own stories if they are going to complain in the same way?

  Because their goal is to stoke fear, outrage and exclusion. Their words are just tools to achieve that. The actual words are mostly irrelevant

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• theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because they’re racist hypocrites

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• Anticorp@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There are two distinctly different topics in your question. The first, yeah, there’s some legitimate arguments to be made that core identify traits of beloved characters shouldn’t be changed. Notice I said “arguments” because that statement will certainly start one from people on the far ends of both spectrums. The second is people complaining about original characters being black. That’s probably just racism. Plain and simple. No need to dig deeper.

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• givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If they were honest about what they wanted, they’d never get it

  So they always ask for what they think they can get and say that’s all they want. If they get it they say they just want a little more.

  For some reason large parts of America haven’t realized this andnkeeps giving them what they want hoping it’ll be enough

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  • jaspersgroove@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Meet me in the middle”, says the dishonest man

    You take a step forward, he takes a step back

    “Meet me in the middle”, says the dishonest man

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• Donebrach@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Conservatism is a world-view fundamentally based on fear, and manifests in multitudes of ways. The most basic manifestation is racism; because who is most easy to fear than someone who doesn’t look like you?

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• lordnikon@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  right wingers are never going to be happy unless they are able to thump their Bible on to minorities the act of cruelty is their point not a means to an end. Think about it when social media made a spaces for right wingers to be they still wanted to be on the mainstream ones becase they are addicted to the rage.

  They won’t be happy even if they get their way because the house of fascism is to always have the in group beat down the out group to keep the few in power when they eradicate the first out group then create a new out group with a new round of purity tests. and the cycle starts over. it’s a story as old as time.

  now to answer your question about why you may hear it more when they change a trace of a character from one races to another to modernize older characters. we that’s becase while the right wingers are always going to moan and rage there are people that see not like that that don’t like it for different reason and that is hollow corporate choices are made not for really pushing representation but becase they can get a demo of 18 to 34 year old by saying they do.

  Like have you every noticed how all the characters in DC comics they changed from white to black were Red Heads. They changed from one minority to another and they want a pat on the back for it. Hell look at the gay or trans communities they want to make everyone gay but just enough to not piss off China.

  also no one can just be gay they have to play it up for drama. when what each group needs is not stereotypes onscreen or characters where the thing that makes them a minority is their whole personality. it makes them one dimensional and like I said before hollow. i want cool characters that happen to be gay or black or trans, etc vs gay or black or trans characters.

  That’s why star trek (while flawed in some ways) was so powerful in the 60s it normalize not dramatized a black woman working side by side with all races. To just tell stories not black stories or women stories.

  To me anything else is more racist becase the Corps are just playing us all for fools all the way to bank and they don’t want real change cause the money machine dries up. It saddens me that every under represented group is so starved for representation they take what ever they can get and the Corps know this.

  sorry I will get off my soap box as someone in a minority group it stings when I think about it.

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• Steve@communick.news ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The simple answer is: Because they aren’t same people.
  It’s unlikely you’ll to find a single individual complaining about both of those tings. Some individuals that will complain about one, and other individuals will complain about the other. You’ll then even have 3rd subgroup who will complain about any minority actor in a lead roll at all; But that’s a different complaint than the two you’re talking about.

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• exanime@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Because they are simply hiding their racism in thinly veiled excuses that sound slightly reasonable… When that doesn’t work, they will just move the goal post

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• BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My personal hypothesis is that they are people that are generally unhappy with something in their lives, but most people (including me), are generally bad at finding the valid cause of our discontent. Someone comes along and confidently tells them that their unhappiness is someone else’s fault. This helps the unhappy people feel better because they feel blameless, superior, and solves their confusion. They also now can do whatever while blaming someone else for their issues. The person that distracts them gains power because the unhappy grant it to them to fix their made up problem.

  The thing with this approach is that it needs continued unhappiness. Otherwise, the whole thing falls apart. So, manipulative news media musy continually sow anger and division to maintain the scheme going. The people you see that are upset over things that are completely trivial to them have lost control of their minds. They have fallen to propaganda. Unfortunately, the people that have been scapegoated pay the price.

  In other words, it doesn’t really matter to them. It has no effect on their lives. They’re just made to feel like shit, then told to blame someone else. That comes out as giving a shit about a physical characteristic the main character of a movie.

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