Parliament blocks Greens attempt to recognise Palestinian statehood

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• Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This reinforces my decision to never vote or support liblab again.

  Greens are the only viable leftist party in the country.

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  • hanrahan@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That has pretty much been the case for decades. Labour haven’t been *left" since Gough Whitlam was PM.

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    • unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You mean ever since America interfered in our democracy

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  • ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yep

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    • threeduck@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This

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• Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Labor’s excuse:

  Greens were deliberately setting up the vote to fail, due to procedural motions in the lower house always being opposed.

  It failed 80 votes to 5. The 5 included the 4 Greens MPs and independent MP Andrew Wilkie. The fact that there were only 80 noes makes it hard to say precisely who they were and indicates that everyone was so sure it would fail by a large margin that Labor and the LNP didn’t bother whipping up their MPs to go vote for it. Disappointing that the other independents didn’t bother either.

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  • zero_gravitas@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Half the independents got in on a campaign that would basically be Liberals except giving a shit about climate change, so we shouldn’t really be surprised. Allegra Spender was out there the other day calling the uni encampments anti-semitic 🙄

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  • Ilandar@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He is right to an extent, The Greens would have pushed ahead with the vote knowing full well that it would suffer a near unanimous defeat. For them it would have been partially strategical in the sense that they can point to this result in the future as a clear point of moral difference. It was also clearly a sincere motion though, so Watts and Leeser trying to frame it as anything else is pretty stupid. Particularly when neither them nor their respective parties are doing anything to help the situation here or in Gaza.

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      He is right to an extent

      Disagree. I understand what you’re getting at, but I don’t think it accurately represents what he said. If he had said “the Greens set this up to fail because Labor has no interest in supporting Palestinian statehood”, he would have been right. But he didn’t say it would fail because they don’t support it, he said it would fail because “it’s procedural”.

      If Labor had decided to amend it to be more clear in what it would accomplish (because it would not, of course, actually result in the nation of Australia recognising Palestine, just the House of Representatives, a mostly meaningless gesture), or if the Labor Foreign Minister had turned around and recognised it officially through their powers, he would have a point. Heck, I’ll allow Labor to the end of the week for me to say “hey, actually, Labor did the right thing here”. But as it stands right now? Labor has no defence. Anything they try to say is a transparent attempt to avoid saying “we don’t support Palestinian statehood” while holding exactly that position.

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• naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Good to see we still have bipartisan support for European colonial genocide after all these years!

  Really warms my heart knowing that despite all the division these days parasitic rich fucks can still bond over ignoring the rights of people to the land they live on.

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• AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Australia is a Judaeochristian settler state, and as such has solidarity with other such states at a foundational level.

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• zik@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  At what point do Labor realise “Are we the baddies?”

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• TheHolm@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So Greens once again show how out of touch and stupid they are.

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  • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    TIL opposing genocide and getting in line with 146 out of 193 UN members is “out of touch and destructive”.

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    • TheHolm@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I guess genocide is base of Palestiian politics, not Israel. Israel is just fighting a war now, and they did a lot to avoid it.
      UN, just another example of “out of touch and destructive”

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• sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What are the borders of the proposed Palestinian state?

  “From the River to the Sea”?

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  • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Who are you asking? If you’re asking me, I’d say the 1947 partition plan. Or at least the West Bank borders from 1967 with the Gaza Strip + extended border with Egypt from the 1947 plan.

    I mean, the ideal would be for a peaceful one state solution where neither side is privileged. Maybe even, at least temporarily, a Northern Ireland–style situation where any government is required to have representation of both groups. Because religious ethnostates fucking suck. But Israel has made it painfully clear that they have zero interest in that; they really quite like their apartheid.

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    • sqgl@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I am not asking for opinions. I am asking what were Greens proposing?

      I recall that when Labor first rejected the call for peace talks and Greens walked out of Parliament. The document Greens were expecting Labor to sign contained no acknowledgement that the October 7 massacre even happened (let alone condemning it).

      A few weeks later the document was amended and Labor signed on.

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