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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨fossilesque@mander.xyz⁩ to ⁨science_memes@mander.xyz⁩

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  • akrz@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Rowan Gavin Paton Menzies (14 August 1937 – 12 April 2020)[1][2][3] was a British submarine lieutenant-commander who authored books claiming that the Chinese sailed to America before Columbus. Historians have rejected Menzies’ theories and assertions[4][5][6][7][8]: 367–372  and have categorised his work as pseudohistory.[9][10][11]

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Menzies

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    • kbin_space_program@kbin.run ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The Haida and other native groups of coastal BC have no record of Zheng He's voyage.

      And because his ships weren't capable of handling the open ocean, the only way he'd be able to do such a trip is by hugging the coast, so they'd have absolutely seen them.

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      • Microw@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Mansa Muhammad’s travel is also considered to never have reached the Americas, if it even happened in the first place

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      • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’d never heard about this “Zheng He in America” thing before, so I just did a little reading about it. One thing I read said he supposedly sailed around around Africa and to the east coast of America, which is even more implausible.

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  • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Except Mali and China’s crossing is pure fiction and Polynesia’s is plausible but missing a lot of evidence you’d expect to find

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    • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Hasn’t it been proven that eastern polynesians have amerindian DNA, and also that their word for their crops of sweet potatoes is related to the Quechua word for similar crops still in south america?

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      • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah in 1200-1300 not 700AD, but there is some evidence of eariler voyages to South America and Antarctica

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  • magic_lobster_party@kbin.run ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And the reason why Columbus managed to get funding for his journey was because he used incorrect estimations of the earth’s circumference, which indicated a much shorter distance to India than previous (much more accurate) estimations.

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    • kbin_space_program@kbin.run ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Oddly enough it seems the same is true for Mansa's trip. Except that as regent, he gave himself the funding, twice.

      However, as wikipedia notes: ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_voyage_of_the_predecessor_of_Mansa_Musa )

      1. No african artifacts have ever been discovered in South or Central America.
      2. Only one of the ships returned, and it only reported the existence of the "Canary Current" which that ship did not enter.

      In addition. The dark skin of some South Americans is genetically distant to modern Africans, but has ties to the same markers in some asian cultures, implying its addition was prehistoric and happened in the old world.

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    • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not incorrect measurements of the earth’s circumference, rather he used incorrect maps that showed Asia as being like 4 times bigger than it actually is, with the Polynesian islands and Japan being a continent sized chain, each at minimum the size of Sardinia

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  • Dagwood222@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The Irish have entered the chat…

    …howstuffworks.com/…/irish-monk-america.htm

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  • perishthethought@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is the kind of gold I keep coming back to lemmy for. (no /s)

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    • fossilesque@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      eaf fhy memes

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  • NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Also, they had potatoes and tomatoes in Gondor long before any of this.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The go extinct in the Fourth Age, I’m 5,753 steps ahead of you -

      Joseph Road Rage “It’s In My Notes” Tolkien

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  • zout@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Columbus was the first catholic to land in America. Guess who wrote our history books.

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    • Liz@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Bruh, it’s because Columbus kicked off the age of colonization that led to the modern world. All other claims to the first discovery are either the initial settlement or largely inconsequential meetings between worlds.

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      • Umbrias@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Columbus did not in fact do that, nor is that “the reason” the modern world exists. Broken window fallacy, slaughtering people and generally doing colonialism is not an effective way to create technological progress.

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    • NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Mugatu?

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    • RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Jesus?

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  • PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No mention of the pharos getting blasted on drugs that are apparently only native to the americas?

    I think someone identified the substance in question on a couple of their tooth fragments

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  • blazeknave@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I just learned a ton honestly

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  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    To the Core

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  • zout@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Columbus was the first catholic to land in America. Guess who wrote our history books.

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