Except Mali and China’s crossing is pure fiction and Polynesia’s is plausible but missing a lot of evidence you’d expect to find
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1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Hasn’t it been proven that eastern polynesians have amerindian DNA, and also that their word for their crops of sweet potatoes is related to the Quechua word for similar crops still in south america?
1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
Yeah in 1200-1300 not 700AD, but there is some evidence of eariler voyages to South America and Antarctica
magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 8 months ago
And the reason why Columbus managed to get funding for his journey was because he used incorrect estimations of the earth’s circumference, which indicated a much shorter distance to India than previous (much more accurate) estimations.
kbin_space_program@kbin.run 8 months ago
Oddly enough it seems the same is true for Mansa's trip. Except that as regent, he gave himself the funding, twice.
However, as wikipedia notes: ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_voyage_of_the_predecessor_of_Mansa_Musa )
- No african artifacts have ever been discovered in South or Central America.
- Only one of the ships returned, and it only reported the existence of the "Canary Current" which that ship did not enter.
In addition. The dark skin of some South Americans is genetically distant to modern Africans, but has ties to the same markers in some asian cultures, implying its addition was prehistoric and happened in the old world.
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Not incorrect measurements of the earth’s circumference, rather he used incorrect maps that showed Asia as being like 4 times bigger than it actually is, with the Polynesian islands and Japan being a continent sized chain, each at minimum the size of Sardinia
Dagwood222@lemm.ee 8 months ago
The Irish have entered the chat…
perishthethought@lemm.ee 8 months ago
This is the kind of gold I keep coming back to lemmy for. (no /s)
fossilesque@mander.xyz 8 months ago
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 8 months ago
Also, they had potatoes and tomatoes in Gondor long before any of this.
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 8 months ago
The go extinct in the Fourth Age, I’m 5,753 steps ahead of you -
Joseph Road Rage “It’s In My Notes” Tolkien
zout@fedia.io 8 months ago
Columbus was the first catholic to land in America. Guess who wrote our history books.
Liz@midwest.social 8 months ago
Bruh, it’s because Columbus kicked off the age of colonization that led to the modern world. All other claims to the first discovery are either the initial settlement or largely inconsequential meetings between worlds.
Umbrias@beehaw.org 8 months ago
Columbus did not in fact do that, nor is that “the reason” the modern world exists. Broken window fallacy, slaughtering people and generally doing colonialism is not an effective way to create technological progress.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 8 months ago
Mugatu?
RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 8 months ago
Jesus?
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 8 months ago
No mention of the pharos getting blasted on drugs that are apparently only native to the americas?
I think someone identified the substance in question on a couple of their tooth fragments
blazeknave@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I just learned a ton honestly
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 8 months ago
To the Core
zout@fedia.io 8 months ago
Columbus was the first catholic to land in America. Guess who wrote our history books.
akrz@programming.dev 8 months ago
Rowan Gavin Paton Menzies (14 August 1937 – 12 April 2020)[1][2][3] was a British submarine lieutenant-commander who authored books claiming that the Chinese sailed to America before Columbus. Historians have rejected Menzies’ theories and assertions[4][5][6][7][8]: 367–372 and have categorised his work as pseudohistory.[9][10][11]
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Menzies
kbin_space_program@kbin.run 8 months ago
The Haida and other native groups of coastal BC have no record of Zheng He's voyage.
And because his ships weren't capable of handling the open ocean, the only way he'd be able to do such a trip is by hugging the coast, so they'd have absolutely seen them.
Microw@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Mansa Muhammad’s travel is also considered to never have reached the Americas, if it even happened in the first place
grue@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’d never heard about this “Zheng He in America” thing before, so I just did a little reading about it. One thing I read said he supposedly sailed around around Africa and to the east coast of America, which is even more implausible.