Comment on "Images of 'Saint Luigi Mangione, The patron saint of health care justice' have been making rounds on social media"

NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I was ready to point out that this was not possible because canonisation requires the person have performed two miracles, but then I found out that there is actually a pathway without that:

  Very rarely, a Pope may waive the requirement… if he, the Sacred College of Cardinals, and the Congregation for the Causes of Saints all agree that the Blessed lived a life of great merit proven by certain actions.

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  • gnutrino@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m not sure they can waive the requirement that a saint be dead however, it’s sort of part of the definition…

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    • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think there is an inbeten where you not declared saint but basically are declared somewhat holy ready to be sainted once you die.

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      • Damage@slrpnk.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Beatification

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      • Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Venerated, Beatified, Saint. At least that’s what I remember from Catechism beginning some 67 years ago

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    • then_three_more@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Doesn’t one of the charges carry the death penalty?

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    • SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That way they can’t fuck up their legacy like so many public figures do. It’s better to have them die first before giving them sainthood, statues or other long term praise

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  • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The miracles are going to be people praying to him to have their claims accepted.

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  • NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Well, the Popeis the absolute sovereign dictator of Church dogma, so if he says tomorrow that Luigi is a saint, then all 1 billion Catholics worldwide must listen

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    • blackbelt352@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Kind of. He is the leader of the church but the congregation of Cardinals also holds a lot of political sway over the office as well and advise the pope on all kinds of matters.

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      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah and there’s still ecumenical councils and tradition.

        There’s a reason the pope that gave birth didn’t lead to female priests, sexusl activity permitted among priests, or transmasculine priests, just a genital inspection before being confirmed as pope

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  • Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Martyrs get a pass on the miracles BTW.

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not quite. They get a pass on miracles for beatification, but wording to this page’s “Since 1983” section two miracles are originally required for canonisation. In fact it is the non-martyr blessed who get a pass, since their miracle to become blessed counts and they only need one more.

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      • WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The miracles are relatively easy in his case, considering his connection to healthcare. Get enough people with terminal diagnoses praying for his intercession, and some will happen to make a statistically unlikely spontaneous recovery.

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• rbn@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  ‘In nomine Patris et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Mora, abnegare et deponere. Amen.’

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• Ajen@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  He can’t become a Saint until after he dies, unfortunately.

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  • Sabata11792@ani.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sounds like the government wants to do just that if he loses.

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  • FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Pope could always talk to the big man and get that rule changed. Who’s gonna stop him, the pope?

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