Comment on "Images of 'Saint Luigi Mangione, The patron saint of health care justice' have been making rounds on social media"

NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

• Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I was ready to point out that this was not possible because canonisation requires the person have performed two miracles, but then I found out that there is actually a pathway without that:

  Very rarely, a Pope may waive the requirement… if he, the Sacred College of Cardinals, and the Congregation for the Causes of Saints all agree that the Blessed lived a life of great merit proven by certain actions.

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  • gnutrino@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I’m not sure they can waive the requirement that a saint be dead however, it’s sort of part of the definition…

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    • webghost0101@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I think there is an inbeten where you not declared saint but basically are declared somewhat holy ready to be sainted once you die.

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      • Damage@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Beatification

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      • Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Venerated, Beatified, Saint. At least that’s what I remember from Catechism beginning some 67 years ago

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    • then_three_more@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Doesn’t one of the charges carry the death penalty?

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  • Skullgrid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The miracles are going to be people praying to him to have their claims accepted.

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  • NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Well, the Popeis the absolute sovereign dictator of Church dogma, so if he says tomorrow that Luigi is a saint, then all 1 billion Catholics worldwide must listen

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    • blackbelt352@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Kind of. He is the leader of the church but the congregation of Cardinals also holds a lot of political sway over the office as well and advise the pope on all kinds of matters.

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      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Yeah and there’s still ecumenical councils and tradition.

        There’s a reason the pope that gave birth didn’t lead to female priests, sexusl activity permitted among priests, or transmasculine priests, just a genital inspection before being confirmed as pope

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  • Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Martyrs get a pass on the miracles BTW.

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Not quite. They get a pass on miracles for beatification, but wording to this page’s “Since 1983” section two miracles are originally required for canonisation. In fact it is the non-martyr blessed who get a pass, since their miracle to become blessed counts and they only need one more.

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      • WoodScientist@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The miracles are relatively easy in his case, considering his connection to healthcare. Get enough people with terminal diagnoses praying for his intercession, and some will happen to make a statistically unlikely spontaneous recovery.

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• rbn@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  ‘In nomine Patris et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Mora, abnegare et deponere. Amen.’

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• Ajen@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  He can’t become a Saint until after he dies, unfortunately.

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  • FooBarrington@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Pope could always talk to the big man and get that rule changed. Who’s gonna stop him, the pope?

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  • Sabata11792@ani.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Sounds like the government wants to do just that if he loses.

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