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Jon_Servo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• GrymEdm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Disingenuous. The Lemmy users supporting doxing him aren’t leaving it at that. They aren’t even suggesting just protesting his house. From the thread where he’s doxed:

  • “Hypothetically, if you’re selected for jury duty in a case like 'Someone murdered Nick Fuentes”, you can just say not guilty regardless of evidence or truth."
  • “Smash a different window every day.”
  • “sure would be a shame if someone dealt with him late at night, wouldn’t it? :)”
  • “Nazis deserve a lot worse than just getting doxxed”
  • “Can you tell me if fascists have ever been defeated peacefully?”
  • “In the immortal words of my grandfather’s friend, who was the second in command of a state’s Hell’s Angel chapter, anytime something happened, ‘You want me to take care of that for you?’”

  In this thread:

  • “‘Bold thing to say when your house is flammable’ A screenshot I saw somewhere”
  • “Yes, actually, there’s no obligation to extend the protections of the social contract to those actively attempting to destroy it.”

  Do you believe all those quotes are advocating legal things? We’re 4 days past the election and people are already talking vigilante violence.

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Fuentes has deliberately and specifically doxxed people, karma is a bitch, end of discussion.

    Am I going to burn his house down?

    No, I hate driving.

    But I hope he’s fucking scared that someone will so he can taste what it feels like.

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    • Nimbly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yes, karma is a bitch, and I feel nothing but contempt for Fuentes.

      Doxxing is still bad though.

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      • Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Helpful guide for anyone reading this thread who’s still unsure:

        Doxxing people as a general rule is bad. Doxxing actual fucking nazis specifically is a public service (cool and good).

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    • GrymEdm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Maybe you just want him to stew. But the whole point of my post is that people providing the specific examples I give don’t just want him doxed or even just protested - they’re actually calling for violence or murder. I don’t like Fuentes, and I’m not defending him as a person AT ALL. It took 3 minutes of looking up who he was to be disgusted by him. That doesn’t justify the blatantly illegal violence people are pushing for. Most of the big talkers will never do a damn thing either, they’ll just sit and hope someone else kills him.

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      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Nazis deserve nothing but bullets to the head, if the admins want to cover their asses that’s their choice.

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      • Cruxifux@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        If you think the Holocaust would have ended without a whole lot of murder than you’re insane.

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  • thesporkeffect@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I get your point but this is kind of a pro-punching-Nazis group of people and I don’t think you are likely to change many people’s minds lol

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    • Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

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  • Jon_Servo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    We can see how well just trying to vote them away is working. Fascists use violence to silence adversaries. All they understand is violence. You will never “moral high ground” a fascist into understanding the error of their ways.

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    • GrymEdm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      So instead of opposing them legally, you want to jump straight to violence? I guarantee that will make a martyr out of Fuentes, give Trumpers evidence about how “the enemy within” is dangerous and destructive, and lead to people you support and care about being killed in return.

      Telling people to kill others first is not a plan for a safe nation, and it’s very illegal as well. If you ever stop talking big on a forum and actually commit the actions you are cheering for be prepared to spend the rest of your life in prison, and rightfully so. Even worse, someone mentally unstable might read all these posts and go do it themselves and ruin their life because of posts like this. But hey, that will be the ethical choice because it’s worth it right?

      Violence should be a last choice, it should be kept within bounds that prevent it from being a crime/war crime, and should never be done by whoever is angry enough to kill people identified as dangerous by an internet forum.

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    • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No, we don’t see how well voting works. Trump got less votes this run than he did in the last election where he fucking lost.

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      • Kernal64@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Check the updated vote counts. Some states aren’t done yet and he’s already around a million or so more votes higher than 2020.

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  • todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’m sorry, but when you smugly tell half the country that you’re going to do as you please to their bodies, you get what you get.

    if you’re selected for jury duty in a case like 'Someone murdered Nick Fuentes", you can just say not guilty regardless of evidence or truth."

    True. Jury Nullification is 100% legal and very cool, especially if used to protect anti-fascist action.

    Smash a different window every day.

    Counterpoint: Smash every window on different days.

    Q: sure would be a shame if someone dealt with him late at night, wouldn’t it?

    A: “No.”

    Nazis deserve a lot worse than just getting doxxed

    Imagine actually thinking this. From the sound of it, just identifying who a Nazi is a step too far. I guess we should just ignore them and never sound the alarms about it and just let them do what they want?

    Q: Can you tell me if fascists have ever been defeated peacefully?

    A: “Never once”

    In the immortal words of my grandfather’s friend, who was the second in command of a state’s Hell’s Angel chapter, anytime something happened:

    “I shidded and farded out my doo doo ass”

    Bold thing to say when your house is flammable

    If you want to have safety and security in life, don’t position yourself as a direct threat to the fundamental liberties and freedoms enjoyed by more than half the nation.

    Yes, actually, there’s no obligation to extend the protections of the social contract to those actively attempting to destroy it.

    Paradox of tolerance. You cannot tolerate intolerance. Intolerance must be destroyed.

    Nazis get punched and nazis get doxxed.

    Hell yeah.

    As if they’re going to solve everyone’s problems by punching. If you think gun-lovers are going to let you beat them you’re mistaken. Violence = fast track to dead people

    Good point. I’ll adjust my view on this: “Nazis get punched shot and Nazis get doxxed”. I’d rather see dead Nazis than dead people.

    All they (fascists) understand is violence.

    This is true, and they’re betting big on us not being willing to use it like they will. Prove them wrong.

    Nazis deserve nothing but bullets to the head

    There are like 500 movies where this is the literal moral of the story. Go watch Inglorious Basterds or League of Ungentlemanly Warfare and consider how unpopular you really think this rhetoric is. People respond to it like they do cartoon violence: no humans are harmed.

    Hell, Wolfenstein 3D, the first ever FPS, avoided controversy by making the game about killing Nazis. It was basically kid-friendly.

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    • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Great write up, 10/10 no notes.

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    • GrymEdm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Thanks for clarifying that you also are talking about way more than just doxing. Which is the whole point of my post. Appreciate the supporting evidence.

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  • WaxedWookie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Sure - he might be actively pushing for a series of genocides, and he might be a significant recruitment tool to advance those genocides, but pushing back against the death of millions of people with anything more than colourful language would be immoral.

    Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

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    • GrymEdm@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeah, I’ve proven to be a real fan of Fuentes in other parts of this thread… Take off with the insults and assumptions. You think someone like Bernie Sanders wants Fuentes killed by a random civilian? I guess he’s a fascist too huh? Here’s what I actually oppose - blatantly illegal mob justice. Fuentes is a bastard, but that doesn’t justify some angry internet dude committing an act of premeditated murder. Are you going to kill everyone with an ideology you consider dangerous? While convinced it’s to prevent suffering no less. What about when, if Fuentes is killed for the things he says, the right makes him a martyr and example of how dangerous “the enemy within” is making America? What if your fellow countrymen who you so hate start killing you and people you support/care about in return? Is that your plan for a safe nation?

      On January 6 2021, would it have been a proud and just moment in US history to have a mob of counter protesters rush in and slaughter the hundreds of Trump supporters without trial? They actually attempted a coup - Fuentes is just talk at this point but some would like to leap straight to his premeditated death.

      It’s taken like 4 days post-election for people to escalate to calling for violence against everyone they consider Nazis. All in the name of ethics no less. I can empathize with the anger and feeling of helplessness. It’s still ridiculous and heart-breaking that less than a week after a loss there’s hundreds of upvotes for people advocating extrajudicial cold-blooded murder and violence in the name of righteousness.

      P.S. Don’t tell me the folks hinting at this crap aren’t talking about murder. Even if, and that’s a big if, they only meant beatings or the like that would degenerate into lethal violence basically immediately. You personally have already said you don’t want to use words alone.

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      • WaxedWookie@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        No… Stop… Please? Niiiick? I said pleeeease…

        I use morality rather than legality to tell right from wrong. This is why I supported gay marriage a few years ago. My moral first principle is the minimisation of suffering and death. If someone is making headway toward killing tens of millions of people, I believe it’s immoral not to stop them, and while the suffering inflicted should be minimised, there’s not a lot that wouldn’t be justifiable if necessary to stop those tens of millions of deaths and all the suffering.

        To stand by and watch something like that play out because forceful intervention is uncivil is to be complicit with those atrocities.

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