So, instead of selecting the better of two bad options (according to you), you chose the worse of two bad options. And that’s supposed to make some sort of point?
Do I shoot myself in the foot or the head? The head, that’ll show em!
X to doubt.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
I think some people have explained it decently, but as someone who did not vote for Harris, I have a simple explanation:
I do not want the Democratic party to think it’s Ok to be slightly better than Trump. If I’m going to be honest, trans rights and immigration are minor issues compared to inequality and war in Gaza.
The Dems can be better, but they choose not to. Me voting for them tells them that’s acceptable, but it’s not. I supported third party in 2024, and I will continue to do so until the Democrats get serious reform.
(For those who think it would be “less bad” with Harris, that’s the problem. I don’t care for “less bad” when the duopoly got us here regardless. Represent the people.)
AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 month ago
I voted for the Unity party largely to make this point. I live in Colorado. That’s “shooting myself in the head”?
I heard someone say “Well what if so many voters vote third party that they lose the state?” If the Dems lose Colo-fucking-rado, do you really think they still have a path to 270?
I respect the right of people in swing states to vote their conscience as well, but that’s obviously a different consideration. But the vitriol a lot of Dems have without even asking where someone lives is just… unhelpful.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Thanks for enabling Trump you ginormous ass hat. I will remember your entitled self righteous indignation when Ukraine falls. When Trump talks about eradicating the Palestinian people. And when Russia starts taking small bites of NATO countries, while Trump refuses to respond to article 5 requests.
Sending a message to the democratic party was something you could have done before the election. By getting involved. But noooo let’s send the message by handing the US to a fascist and convicted felon, that’s far easier.
Wogi@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You can disagree with that guy. That’s fine. But you need to understand that your attitude mirrors the attitude of the democratic party, and it literally just cost them the election.
Ignore the people who want change, assuming they’ll vote for you anyway is a great way to get them to vote for someone else.
Reform or fail.
BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
What’s so weird to me is how Americans can just be “oh bother! The not fascist prodemocracy party lost. If only I would care enough to do something, oh well better luck next time.” why aren’t you guys screaming?
Trump’s relationship with Putin is going to change the current world order. You know the world? It’s where the US is?
If that’s too abstract, then look at the remaining SCOTUS judges. With Trump in the Whitehouse then Alito and Thomas can step down and be replaced with more Gen Xers ensuring right-wing dominance for the next 30 years. Repealing Roe v Wade is going to be dwarfed by the what’s coming now.
Harris wasn’t ideal. Harris was as interesting as a corporate newsletter. But at least she wasn’t a threat to democracies worldwide. Harris would have meant less injustice, but not “no injustice”. But because people couldn’t get no injustice, they stayed home and got 20x the injustice they would have gotten otherwise. And now they’re justifying that? GTFO!
The US political system is broken. But it’s broken deliberately by one side to suit them, while the other side is too busy blaming each other for their own common failures to do anything.
Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 month ago
why aren’t you guys screaming?
I screamed when Bush won a second term. I screamed when Trump won his first term. The American people can’t really let me down any further than they already have.
Do you mean rioting? The guy even won the popular vote, possibly fair and square. Are you under the impression that there is some action we can take at this point to improve the situation?
because people couldn’t get no injustice, they stayed home
That’s not a valid interpretation of the situation. Millions of people who voted for Biden did not come out for Kamala. There’ll be a lot of people trying to discern why and you probably won’t like my guess, but it’s too early to really have good information. Exit polls said only about 10 percent of people cared about Gaza at all. This idea of progressives not voting, sending the election to Trump doesn’t hold water at all. Dems first instinct is to punch left. I hope they learn a better lesson from this loss.
People who don’t vote aren’t hanging out on Lemmy talking about politics. All of the vitriol from Democrats is even more misplaced than usual. This outcome was pretty much what I thought would happen, but when I talk about how Dem decisions aren’t exciting voters, the response is to admonish me to vote, missing the point entirely.
it’s broken deliberately by one side to suit them,
Refusing to admit the part the Dems play is part of the problem as well. We can’t keep doing the same thing we’ve always done, and if we don’t learn from this we are truly doomed.
Wogi@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah people just care about bread on the table and the roof over their head. Telling 150 million voting Americans to care about the world is falling on early 100 million deaf ears.
75 million don’t care, or actively dislike anybody outside the US.
Another 38 million only care as long as it’s convenient. And right now it’s not convenient.
Maybe 10-15 million are anti Republican because they’re lgbtq+.
Of the 150 million voters, 80 million are voting on a single issue. And for many of them, it’s either for or against abortion.
We’ve been supplying the West with a military for decades. We put more in to our ministry, and by extension every NATO member country’s military than the rest of NATO combined. We don’t have social programs, no healthcare, no child care, under funded education, no paid sick leave, no parental leave. We have a big shiney military.
People can’t afford to take a day off for the flu and they’re supposed to care about Europe?
Big ask mate. People here care about how they’re doing today and tomorrow. Not Ukraine 6 months from now.
Grapho@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Democrats are alright with failure, they’re gonna make serious bank anyway. Their voters, though? Idk why they act like they are part of this campaign, when they might as well have been cardboard cutouts as far as the DNC is concerned. They’re the worst kind of politicucked.
flounders@lemm.ee 1 month ago
It wouldn’t have mattered anyway. Third party votes didn’t total up enough to make a difference if Harris got them all or not. I can’t blame people for acting in accordance with their conscience whether I agree with it or not. What’s done is done. Let’s move on and figure out the next steps we need to take.
lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Good for you, you helped get Trump elected! 👍
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Ok. Sure. Myself and millions of others helped get Trump elected. Hopefully you can figure out how to appeal to us next election.
Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If avoiding the coming hate didn’t appeal to you then why bother?
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Because apparently, “not bothering” means more people not supporting Democrats, which means Republicans getting elected more. See? I can do DNC logic too. It’s actually your fault Trump got elected.
lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
You are unreachable
dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Right. Need to support everyone, universal healthcare, universal basic income, without religion, no with religion, with feminism, with support for men’s rights, with support for immigration, not too much support for immigration, with support for small businesses, without enabling corporate America, and ranked choice voting, and younger people, more minorities, elect a woman, with more communism, no more socialism, with consequences for the right, with unity for all and put the past behind us.
We get Trump because some entitled fuckers from every. single. camp. (often with conflicting interests) say “earn MY vote” or go to hell. The straight white cis bible thumping camp is voting as a bloc all the time. This is why D can’t get anything done: there is no sparkling unicorn candidate. Sometimes a little better is all you get. Lefties complain about people on the right being single issue voters, then turn around and single issue don’t vote.
Thanks for the nut punch of a president.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
I know you’re memeing, but to be honest, yes, I want a President whose platform is somewhat like what you described. Obviously I disagree with some random parts (i.e. “with more communism, no, more socialism, with consequences for the right”), but for heavens sake, at least the theoretical person running for President above is trying something new.
This is what the Right is doing with Trump after all, and clearly people like it.
lousyd@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
I like your reasoning. I’m a libertarian myself, so I get it.
But I held my nose and voted Democrat the last two Presidential elections because I think Trump is a uniquely dangerous person. I hate the “this time is different” argument, but I actually think it applied this time.
Dragonstaff@leminal.space 1 month ago
That’s fair and I respect your decision.
I was excited about Obama. For whatever reason I thought he’d be a lot more progressive than he ended up being.
I phone banked for Clinton. Was never a fan, but I agree that Trump was/is uniquely dangerous.
I voted for Biden. He was explicitly picked to be the conservative balance to the liberal firebrand, Obama (😬), but hey vote Blue no matter who, right?
The counterpoint to this thinking, for me: Where does this end? Do I stick it out until the next “unimportant” Presidential election? At what point am I just enabling the Dems to run rightward to pick up imaginary centrist Republicans while ignoring the left and the working class?
I doubt the DNC will learn their lesson from this election. I hoped they’d learn from a win, but I pray they take this loss to heart. The idea that Republicans somehow convinced people that they’re the party of unions and the working class is laughable, but if they could do that, that says Dems aren’t making the difference in people’s lives that they should be.
octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
For the love of all that is holy, do not assume that they will figure out everything you just typed above from the fact that you didn’t vote for them.
I don’t actually agree with your choice, but I do agree with this:
So please, if you have convinced yourself that withholding one vote out of tens of millions will somehow sent them the message you are trying to send, please also convince yourself that it would be even more effective to drop them a line and let them know how you feel in explicit detail.
democrats.org/contact-us/
Same message for everyone else who chose a protest vote on Tuesday. It’s all great to feel like you did the right thing, but maybe now question whether your message will actually be received, and be sure that it does. Otherwise you put Trump in for literally nothing.