I can’t really blame the Democrats. The public is who failed. The Democrats ran a sane adult. That alone should have been enough to beat Trump.
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Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Mildly? I’m radicalized as fuck. This is the most infuriating shit. Fucken useless ass democrats are only good at constructing elaborate and expensive footguns. They couldn’t read the fucken room and hear people screaming for any change at all.
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 week ago
No its not when people are in agony. To them, this is their torch. This is how fascism rises.
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 6 days ago
We made it through the Recession and COVID-19, but now people are in agony? No fucking way. They chose fascism because they are awful.
Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Yeah. Fascism rises further because Americans voted for it, not because of the candidate.
More important to have a Chad than anything.
normal_user@lemmy.one 6 days ago
Some extracts from a great comment from another user on lemmy (readfanon). I’ll paste this here seems you seen to think that the Democrats did nothing wrong, it is the “left” voters who failed them :
1-You are chasing the DNC to the right and one day you will wake up and wonder to yourself “How did I end up all the way over here?” I’m not following you into that marsh but you’re welcome to go into it yourself, just don’t get upset at me when I point out what you’re heading into and don’t get angry when I refuse to blindly follow you.
2-Historically, fascism has never been stopped at the ballot box. You being convinced that this is possible does not sway my opinion on any matter aside from my estimation of your political awareness and your ability to achieve change.
3-You had four years (eight+ if you count Trump’s regime and the lead-up to it in this calculation) to “stop fascism”. What did you do in this period of time? Did you push Biden and Kamala to adopt policies which have mass support? Did you do anything except go to back to brunch?
4-You aren’t entitled to others’ votes. Stop pretending that you are.
5-We aren’t splitting the so-called left, Kamala Harris did that all by herself.
6-You have no red lines. There is nothing that could make you not support Kamala Harris and we know it. Telling people to drop their standards and ignore their conscience to vote for Kamala is a fatal strategy and you killed her campaign by deploying it.
7-Almost all of your arguments for voting for Kamala Harris (aside from the “it will stop Trump” argument which, in retrospect, appears to be a dismal failure) also apply to reasons for voting for Trump. “You can push them left”, “By voting we will get a seat at the table”, “Voting third party or not voting at all is a wasted vote”, “We have to vote this way to protect the country”, “Politics is about comprise - you cannot expect them to be your perfect political candidate”, and whatever hold-your-nose-and-vote arguments you trot out. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why it is that you do not find these arguments for voting Trump to be convincing?
8-Last time Trump got elected you were brutally vindictive. You took glee in the thought of people in red states and marginalised groups suffering due to policy and things like natural disasters, regardless of their politics or how they chose to vote. You were excited to tell these people that they were going to get deported and put into concentration camps. You will do it again this time too because you have learned nothing. November came and these people you targeted with your vicious schadenfreude remembered. They aren’t going to forget how effortlessly you abandoned them and how you wished the worst suffering and ill-fate upon them.
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 6 days ago
None of those excuses justifies voting for a clearly insane man. You don’t look at a normal person and a guy screaming about eating cats and say “that cat eating guy is who should have the nuclear codes”. It’s fucking moronic.
octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 6 days ago
And half of it is either not true for me personally, based on some hefty assumptions even if applied generally, etc…
normal_user@lemmy.one 6 days ago
Neither Kamala Harris nor Trump should ever have access to nuclear codes !
Let’s remember K.H. literally said she wanted to start a new war with Iran and that she wanted the “most lethal army in the world”.
You fell for the Dems propaganda so hard you literally can’t see how both of the main runners for the elections were crazy far right candidates. There is no substantial distinction in foreign policy between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump so neither of them should have access to nukes, not voting for any of the two parties is the only logical conclusion.
The only reason why the good 3rd party candidates are not electable is because of people like you that will blindly follow the Dems on their descent into fascism. The US does not need two Republican Parties, so stop supporting and justifying the second one. Go out and start building support for an actually good party, that’s the only way to save the country from fascism. Not voting for the Democrats.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 6 days ago
The Democrats didn’t turn out to vote for Kamala, so yes, you can still blame the Democrats.
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I’m radicalized too. Wanna start a club? We could be the happy fun clan against fascism. Need a shorter name though
Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 week ago
No, I want to join an existing massive one and change it at its very core to be something radical that we can wield. Wait a minute…
kreskin@lemmy.world 6 days ago
lets call it the antifascism club. antifa for short.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 week ago
How about the Kool Kids Klan?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Nah. Gotta shorten it. Just abbriviate it, and help me with these white sheets. We need to maks ghost costumes.
resin85@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
The media completely failed at their job of informing the public.
A democracy requires an informed citizenry, and the US media over the past eight years in particular created an increasingly misinformed citizenry.
When people are more concerned that a trans girl might play on a softball team than that the climate crisis might profoundly devastate the biosphere and much of life on it, human and otherwise, for the next 10,000 years, the media has failed. When people worry about crime when it is low, an economy when it is thriving and immigrants when they do much of the hard work that sustains that economy and commit fewer crimes than the native-born, the media has failed.
When it came to Donald Trump, they went easy on him, and they again and again let him and the far right set the agenda. They constantly treated asymmetrical issues as symmetrical ones – if the Democrats resisted Republican outrages, both sides were “polarized”. In the media everything had two sides, even if one side was the truth and the other was the lie, one side was the human rights or the law and the other side was their violation.
They went soft on Trump’s criminality and incompetence, and his sheer volume of scandals meant that the past ones were forgotten as the next one erupted. He would not have won his 2016 minority victory had the US news media adequately conveyed that Trump was not the fun fictional character in the reality TV show The Apprentice; he was a serially bankrupt man repeatedly accused of sexual assault with a lot of criminal ties and a history of not paying his bills, being helped on by the Vladimir Putin regime, which had itself seriously corrupted the information environment of the election.
grue@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Or maybe what media thinks their job is isn’t what you think it should be. Maybe the media is deliberately promoting fascism for profit, has become our enemy, and needs to be destroyed.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 week ago
I’ve changed man, since then. I don’t know how I feel about the Democrats, but I’m devastated over who voted Republican. So many people in this country voted for him. It wasn’t just we had low turnout, but also just that he had so much. That’s the disheartening thing for me, that still, with everything we know, he still carries 50% of this country easily. So yeah, we had too few, but worse, he has too many.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Right? I found pre-election solace in knowing that even though his cult will never turn on him, he couldn’t have possibly gotten MORE supporters in the past 4 years.
Sorry, Mindless Americans, it’s not Trump’s fault anymore, it’s YOURS.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 week ago
That’s what I’ve come around to. It’s not him. He’s a figurehead that we apply blame but it’s not. It’s the people - the public. They want this. They have the fear and the hate, they actively want it. If America didn’t want him, they wouldn’t have voted him in. Even with tampering/whatever, if America didn’t, he wouldn’t be there. But America does want him, and that’s a very sobering and sad thought to me. I try to live with a simple code - do what you want, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. I learned yesterday that most American’s don’t have similar values.
m_f@midwest.social 1 week ago
IMO that’s way off base. People want change. They know they’re getting screwed, and the grifter is promising change. He’s lying and I think most people know that, but the fact that they’d take a convicted felon over what the DNC offered up is a crushing repudiation.
Bernie would’ve mopped the floor with Trump, because he also offers change. Someone like Obama would’ve too, even though there was a paucity of actual change during his terms.
We need to drag the DNC kicking and screaming off of the corporate dick it’s sucking, and get it left enough to offer real change, and people will vote for it in droves.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I’ve tried talking to trumpers to point out the double standards, contradictions, and outright lies. They don’t listen, just ad hominem or whatabout out of it.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 1 week ago
So much whatabout. Are they actually convincing themselves this way, or do they realize it’s stupid but just don’t have anything else to say?
Trump sexually assaulted people and was convicted of fraud.
Whatabout Hillary’s emails and Hunters laptop?
First off, those people aren’t running for president AND it’s not fucking RAPE AND FRAUD!!!
toasteecup@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I’ve tried talking and that doesn’t work, I’ve also tried being kind and all that shit no dice. But everyone gets upset when I say let’s shoot them, so please tell me more about how it’s my fault.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I’ll say it for you. Thomas Crooks was THIS close to being an American hero.
realitista@lemm.ee 6 days ago
Republicans actively work for an uneducated population they can rule. That’s the root of this problem.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 6 days ago
The research is out, more educated people are more likely to vote Democrat, but if you ever point that out, all you get back is “I know YOU are, but what am I?”
AngryRobot@lemmy.world 6 days ago
At least 1930s Germans could say their cizenry didn’t vote for Hitler. We Americans can’t say the same. I’m so ashamed of snd angry at my fellow Americans.