If only we had any historical examples from, say, the past century, showing that the way to stop fascism is NOT by voting the socialdemocrats/liberals into power…
The majority voted for the candidate I don’t like. That means democracy is broken.
Don’t worry, the US democracy was already broken. That became painfully clear when Trump started whining about not winning the popular vote when he was elected the first time. Being able to lose while having the support of the majority of voters is proof enough:
Hillary: 65,853,625 votes
Trump: 62,985,106 votes
Not every vote has the same weight, which is just completely bonkers and proof that your archaic system is due for a retrofit. Let’s just hope it won’t get chucked away entirely in the coming years.
Why? Trump won fair and square this year, but that doesn’t mean your system isn’t flawed. Votes from certain states still carry less weight due to improperly distributed electors. Same happened with Gore Vs Bush by the way.
I think us non-USians are alluding to the clusterfuck of only having an either/or choice. That’s not how democracy works in most democratic places. There’s only ever two runners and riders that stand any real chance of winning over there. Most people would call that a fixed race.
While there technically might be more choices available in other places (for instance, in Germany there’s usually at least 2-3 smaller parties that have a legitimate chance to make it into the Bundestag), de facto it still boils down to the two major parties (conservatives and social democrats) duking it out amongst themselves, and voting 3rd party is merely a matter of choosing who their junior partner will be. It might help sway the resulting coalition’s direction on some minor issues but the overall direction is still very much decided by the 500 lbs gorilla.
Someone downvoted you for spitting facts? Interesting. The two US parties are both right of centre, which gives an immediate imbalance. Small parties can have some bearing on their senior partners policies, like you say. I’m assuming Germany has local elections, mayoral elections etc. surely some of the smaller, more niche parties, pick up seats in those if they happen. Trends identified by smaller parties will get picked up by bigger parties, so they serve their worth there, too.
And yet not everyone votes or even has a chance to vote in this democracy. And don’t get me started on the college of representarives. Seems pretty broken to me.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 2 years ago
The majority voted for the candidate I don’t like. That means democracy is broken.
Trump said the exact same thing in 2020 and was rightly condemned for it. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Get used to it.
ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 years ago
He literally said you won’t need to vote again. Fucking brain-dead take there.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
Threatening to use the armed forces against your political opponents is generally considered not a great sign for a democracy as well.
volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 2 years ago
If only we had any historical examples from, say, the past century, showing that the way to stop fascism is NOT by voting the socialdemocrats/liberals into power…
CEbbinghaus@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Sorry. Can’t upvote your post coz its on 66 and this really does give “execute order 66” vibes
vladmech@lemmy.world 2 years ago
What a stupid fucking take given this whole election.
Lumisal@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Republicans literally wrote a playbook on how they’re going to do it called Project 2025 ya dunce.
It’s clear Americans need to learn the hard way just like Europe did a long time ago.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Germany is heading that way again. Maybe we all haven’t learned the real lesson yet.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Capitalism always trends towards end stage no matter how much you reform it?
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There is no lesson to human. Humanity itself is fascist. We are the problem
DmMacniel@feddit.org 2 years ago
Yes democracy will be broken since Orangeman promised that this will be the last election you will ever need to vote in. Congrats.
Aganim@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Don’t worry, the US democracy was already broken. That became painfully clear when Trump started whining about not winning the popular vote when he was elected the first time. Being able to lose while having the support of the majority of voters is proof enough:
Hillary: 65,853,625 votes Trump: 62,985,106 votes
Not every vote has the same weight, which is just completely bonkers and proof that your archaic system is due for a retrofit. Let’s just hope it won’t get chucked away entirely in the coming years.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 1 year ago
FYI, Trump DID also win the popular vote this year. Perhaps it’s time to retire this argument.
Aganim@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why? Trump won fair and square this year, but that doesn’t mean your system isn’t flawed. Votes from certain states still carry less weight due to improperly distributed electors. Same happened with Gore Vs Bush by the way.
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 2 years ago
I think us non-USians are alluding to the clusterfuck of only having an either/or choice. That’s not how democracy works in most democratic places. There’s only ever two runners and riders that stand any real chance of winning over there. Most people would call that a fixed race.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 1 year ago
While there technically might be more choices available in other places (for instance, in Germany there’s usually at least 2-3 smaller parties that have a legitimate chance to make it into the Bundestag), de facto it still boils down to the two major parties (conservatives and social democrats) duking it out amongst themselves, and voting 3rd party is merely a matter of choosing who their junior partner will be. It might help sway the resulting coalition’s direction on some minor issues but the overall direction is still very much decided by the 500 lbs gorilla.
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Someone downvoted you for spitting facts? Interesting. The two US parties are both right of centre, which gives an immediate imbalance. Small parties can have some bearing on their senior partners policies, like you say. I’m assuming Germany has local elections, mayoral elections etc. surely some of the smaller, more niche parties, pick up seats in those if they happen. Trends identified by smaller parties will get picked up by bigger parties, so they serve their worth there, too.
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 2 years ago
This is either bad faith or supreme levels of stupidity.
Probably supreme levels of stupidity, caused by bad faith. Most people don’t get this dumb without a little elbow grease.
Rolando@lemmy.world 2 years ago
I mean… you’re kind of right, but this is a “read the room” situation.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 years ago
And yet not everyone votes or even has a chance to vote in this democracy. And don’t get me started on the college of representarives. Seems pretty broken to me.
greencactus@lemmy.world 2 years ago
Congrats for getting the most downvotes on Lemmy I’ve ever seen. Which you absolutely deserve by the way, in my opinion.
PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 years ago
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