Comment on Why limit immigration?

• Acamon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  An increase in supply would reduce wages, unless it also increases demand. If you think about wages in cities vs rural areas, you’ll see that most of the time more people = more economic activity = higher wages.

  Where this breaks down, is if there’s barriers of entry that prevent immigrants from participating in the economy fully. If immigrants aren’t allowed to legally work or start business (as happens with some asylum seekers or ‘illegal’ immigrants) then they are forced to compete over a small pool of off-book / cash-in-hand jobs, which could see a reduction in wages without a significant increase in overall economic activity.

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Sounds like an argument for amnesty for illegals honestly. And more relaxed legal immigration pathways.

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• xmunk@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Eh, it doesn’t really seem like that tends to happen… economies are weird and if you keep adding people you tend to just get more and more service jobs.

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  • howrar@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Doesn’t sound that weird. More people means more people to serve, so more service jobs are needed.

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    • Klear@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      and now you need houses for people to live in and people to make the houses, and now there’s more people and they invent things, which makes things better and more people come and there’s more farming and more people to make more things for more people and now there’s business, money, writing, laws, power

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      • thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Can we go on land yet?

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    • obinice@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But where does the extra money and infrastructure come from to provide everything they need?

      More people means more mouths to feed, more strain on the limited housing market driving prices and inaccessibility up, more capacity required at hospitals, doctor’s surgeries, schools, all public services (meaning everything from more doctors, nurses, consumables, locations, etc needed), and so on.

      Where does the money come from to provide for the net influx of 500,000+~ people a year, a population increase of some 0.75%?

      I’m not against immigration, welcoming people from other cultures with fresh ideas and outlooks on life is great and I love it, but the strain it places immediately on our already failing societal systems, such as healthcare, education, housing availability, job availability, etc, is very real, and needs to be addressed.

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      • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        more capacity required at hospitals, doctor’s surgeries, schools, all public services (meaning everything from more doctors, nurses, consumables, locations, etc needed)

        So, skilled, high paying jobs? More architects, more plumbers, more software developers, more of all kinds of jobs

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      • howrar@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But where does the extra money and infrastructure come from to provide everything they need?

        What is money in the first place? It represents labour and resources. So when a new person shows up, they themselves provide the money in the form of their labour. They are the money.

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      • jpreston2005@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That money comes from taxes that rise with increased economic activity that rise with the population.

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