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My biggest gripe with vegan communities is that a lot of them have an “All or Nothing” mentality, going fully vegan is a luxury not everyone can afford, and yet I find mainly malice when trying to talk about reducing ones own reliance on meat and other animal products in online communities.

And veganism, if taken to the “no suffering of sentient beings” full extreme, forbids buying things (not just food) produced by slavery. And those things, especially electronics and clothes, are not financially viable for most to be bought without any slavery involved in any step whatsoever.

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ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Your goal is to do no more or less than the best you can. If you’re doing that, no one got shit on you.

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socsa@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Which is precisely why they will get along with the tankies so we'll. Both treat the very idea of nuance as an existential threat to the point where everything much be driven by the most extreme degree of moral panic or nothing at all.

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threeduck@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Vegan diets are popular in third world countries because they’re considerably cheaper. Meat is cheap in western countries because it’s very often subsidized by governments. Meat consumption by wealth proves eating animals is a luxury.

Also veganism mantras always have “as far as is practicable”. I bought a Samsung phone because Fairphones don’t work here in Australia.

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- orrk@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  vegan diets in third world countries are cheaper because they generally just end up being 90% filler starches and still have woefully bad nutrition outside of being calories
  
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Beaver@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
A whole foods plant-based diet is 30% cheaper. Eating plants is not as of a much of a privilege as you believe it to be.

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- commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  your oxford study doesn’t account for anyone who gets free or subsidized meat, or who catches, raises, or hunts their own. so it excludes basically all of the working poor, which is basically everyone.
  
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  - archomrade@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    or who catches, raises, or hunts their own.
    
    How does catching, raising, or hunting meat compare to planting or gathering their own plant-based food?
    
    Or how does ‘free or subsidized meat’ compare with free or subsidized plant based food?
    
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    commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    How does catching, raising, or hunting meat compare to planting or gathering their own plant-based food?
    
    as the deer spends all year gathering nutrients, and they can spend one morning gathering the deer, it seems to me it’s highly effective.
    
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    commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    if it’s free, then throwing it out and acquiring plants is more expensive.
    
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buttfarts@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Save animals and switch to orphan-meat

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