Comment on if you're not going to let me do this microsoft then let me turn off auto restart all together.

skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• superkret@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Same goes for Linux and macOS, actually, but Linux will happily let you keep your machine vulnerable to getting hacked for months.

  Linux “reboots” every program and service it updates separately.
  So the only update that needs a reboot is one of the kernel, which doesn’t happen often.
  With Enterprise Linux, you can update the kernel without a reboot, too.

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  • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • expr@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Obviously there’s a small handful of things that would require a reboot, but unlike Windows, the vast majority of programs in user space don’t require reboots on update.

      There’s also the fact that restarting Windows to update is a much slower and more disruptive experience than restarting Linux.

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    • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s why Linux and software like Firefox constantly complain when you haven’t restarted after an update.

      Can’t confirm. Linux hasn’t complained and I don’t remember Firefox complaining. Maybe it doesn’t happen with the flatpak, I only remember that from Windows.

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      • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    the only update that needs a reboot is one of the kernel

    Okay, that’s not true. Glancing at dbus sideways will result in a reboot. But in systems free of systemd and all its entourage of shit, that’s still true.

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    • superkret@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But in systems free of systemd and all its entourage of shit, that’s still true.

      OK my bad, I don’t run systemd.

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    • SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      dbus is 4 years older than systemd, thus proving once again that systemd haters have no idea what they’re talking about.

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• cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  my next laptop is going to be linux anyway :)

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• Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Linux will happily let you keep your machine vulnerable to getting hacked for months.

  Sad you included this misinformation in your otherwise good comment. Linux fundamentally works different and you can often update binaries as well as the kernel without rebooting.

  And even if you couldn’t, that’s 100% a user problem. Every distro I’ve ever seen makes it clear as day when you do need to restart, so this is 100% a user issue. But I guess people will also complain if their OS forces them to reboot (like this post), so… 🤷🏼‍♂️

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  • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Replacing /usr/bin/firefox doesn’t fix anything if you don’t restart Firefox itself.

      On my box updating firefox and then restarting it won’t even launch the new version because NixOS knows I’m logged in and won’t just change things in my environment. But unless there’s a kernel update yes nixos rebuild switch followed by logging out and logging in is equivalent to rebooting as it will automatically shut down and restart all system services, I think even systemd itself. Modulo some wibbles around kernel modules but those fall under kernel updates in my book.

      Contrast Ubuntu, which really likes to prompt your for reboots. The difference between a distro primarily for desktop use and one that can also do desktop because also devops want a desktop.

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    • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t know what Windows needs to do to get as good of a state as Linux but you rarely need to do a full reboot as you seemingly are forced to do on Windows.

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      • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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• freeman@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  ROFL

  If Microsoft really cares for more users keeping their system updated they should fix their update process.

  While some updates require a reboot on other OSes for them to take effect they don’t require work during the reboot maximizing the downtime.

  Which is on top of the work done before rebooting, on the background, unprompted, destroying system performance.

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• kautau@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  With windows pro you can use Group Policy to disable them completely actually, though it’s obv not a good idea

  Open Group Policy Object Editor. Navigate to Computer Configuration > Policies > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update. Set Configure Automatic Updates to Disabled.

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• lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Mine doesn’t reboot on it’s own and I don’t recall ever changing any settings to prevent it other than messing with the thing OP is talking about which wouldn’t let me turn it off. I get nag screens daily after a while but it never actually restarts. Maybe one of my applications prevents it or something.

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  • skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t think that was it because it was nagging me every day for a few weeks until I finally got a free weekend to deal with the updates. I have a ton of shit going all the time and restarting is kind of a chore.

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• corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Same goes for Linux and macOS, actually

  Funny joke. But people who don’t understand why that’s not true may not get the joke.

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• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is because many (most?) updates aren’t actually applied until you reboot. Same goes for Linux and macOS, actually

  Yeah no for Linux at least.

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• leftzero@lemmynsfw.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Turning off or rebooting your computer isn’t good for it.

  (It’s not as bad as turning it on, of course, but once you’ve made that mistake you should leave it on.)

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