tetrachromacy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
There’s plenty of space for comedies that don’t punch down or belittle people. The fact that nobody wants to roll the dice to see if they lose their jobs because Vince Vaughn’s movies do that frequently shouldn’t be a mark against their character. The fact that they are greedy movie execs with massive paychecks stolen from actors and studio crew should be.
leisesprecher@feddit.org 4 months ago
But where are those comedies?
Seriously, I can’t recall any good recent comedy movie. Some good series, but that’s it. All comedies are basically those “for the whole family” kind of background noise generator, and they all seem to be the same plot points and jokes sewn together in slightly different patterns.
Older comedies are often a bit dated, but were good back then, even without belittling. Look at Old School, Anchorman, Stranger than Fiction, everything Leslie Nielsen did, Big Lebowski. These are not super experimental art house movies or super edgy, but solid, innovative comedies.
Maybe I’m overlooking a ton of comedy gems, absolutely possible, but I can honestly say that not a single movie of the last years was really funny to me.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 4 months ago
You my friend have an obvious taste for comedies that fall into the definition of “crass”. You listed some GREAT comedies but they are chock-a-block with humor that is juvenile, sexist, lean into gender / racial stereotypes and are generally considered “problematic” today. The last of these I can think of is “Tropic Thunder”.
This is what Vince is talking about; our culture has changed and Hollywood no longer wants to invest in Crass Comedies. Mostly because they don’t do well at the Box Office anymore and they can bring a LOT of negative attention.
leisesprecher@feddit.org 4 months ago
What exactly is problematic about them?
Every single one of them makes fun of a ton of stereotypes, the entire point of Anchorman is to make fun of sexism - the sexists are the idiots!
Which movie of the last 50 isn’t? Seriously, every single movie has some problematic bits in them. Ignoring the historic context is just incredibly braindead. You can’t just put modern standards and push them onto everything.
I think, you are exactly of the mindset criticized in the article. You don’t want to offend anyone, you don’t want to risk having tastes changed, because then suddenly you are problematic. And that’s just the exact opposite of art. That’s the mindset of a subject.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 4 months ago
I think you are taking my comment as combative when it isn’t. I personally enjoyed those movies! There’s little debate though that they are generally crass…I mean c’mon…Leslie Nelson driving on the highway in front of the two nuclear reactors that are sticking up and looking like boobs… (as a singular example).
You…don’t know me…like at all.
ChexMax@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Right, but it doesn’t sound like Vince Vaughn is arguing for a new type of comedy… it sounds like he’s trying to just bring back the old type, which while funny in their day, aren’t really funny now.
Anchorman without the nostalgia goggles… not very funny actually. When you make a movie that’s full of sexism to “make fun of sexism” you’ve still just made a movie that’s full of sexism.
I will say I watched Austin Powers recently, and it held up pretty well. Anchorman has a lot of funny bits, but a lot of it is still just saying isn’t it funny that this guy is mentally handicapped and none of us are acknowledging it? Isn’t it funny for this guy to say tits McGee instead of her name? Isn’t it funny that even the only non sexist guy also doesn’t want her career to succeed? Isn’t it funny how they all sabotage her in ways that are not actually that far from how women were actually sabotaged in the workplace pretty recently?
It’s not just people pretending not to like it for fear of being labeled problematic. Some of us actually don’t think that kind of humor is clever enough to actually be funny
Maven@lemmy.zip 4 months ago
Stranger than Fiction is a fantastic example of a comedy that doesn’t punch down at all. It’s also just a great movie in general tbh.
ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 4 months ago
But it’s also an 18 year old movie, so it doesn’t do much to disprove that good comedies don’t get made any more.
tetrachromacy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Off the top: I’d say Palm Springs, Free Guy, Deadpool movies, Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent and the Weird Al movie all were movies that came out recently, were funny(IMO), and primarily marketed to an adult audience. In the child friendly vein you’ve got stuff like Barbie, the Chip n Dale movie, Encanto(or any recent Disney movie) and so on. Just because it’s made for kids doesn’t make it any less funny.
Comedy is out there, but studios don’t seem to be going in for the old raunchy comedy formulas any more. This is not a bad thing in my estimation. Lots of old comedies like that(revenge of the nerds, superbad, Austin powers) don’t age that well because some if not all make light of subjects that today are seen to be no laughing matter.
leisesprecher@feddit.org 4 months ago
Deadpool is not a good comedy. Haven’t seen the others, but Deadpool is what a 14 years old guy thinks how cool people act. I’d put that on a level with this Mall Cop thingy.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Fourteen-year-olds don’t think cool people make Fire Phone references.
Emperor@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Unfortunately, making comedies that don’t punch down and/or aren’t gross-outs are difficult - you need to have a top class concept and be able to execute it expertly, which is hard.
Personally, I find that !comedyplusgenre@lemmy.world is still a fertile ground for comedy - GotG3, The Suicide Squad, EEAAO, D&D, The Menu, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, Spontaneous, The Babysitter films, Free Guy, Boss Level, Violent Night, Day Shift, Boys From County Hell, etc. Although it could be argued that adding a genre element in means the comedy doesn’t have to do all the heavy-lifting, so it may be a cop-out.
Decent real-world set comedies of recent years include: the Banshees of Inisherin, Bullet Train, Guns Akimbo, etc.
Not sure where Jojo Rabbit fits but that too.
ormr@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Thanks for reminding me of Banshees of Inisherin. Loved it.
Emperor@feddit.uk 4 months ago
Great film and not afraid to keep going into some dark territory.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 months ago
For action comedy, I thought bullet train was great.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Joy Ride, Bottoms, You People, Theatre Camp, Weird, Unbearable Weight Massive Talent…