Currently there is no good alternative to Discord for actual chatting.
Matrix?
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Vlyn@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Think what you want about Discord, but it has a different purpose than Lemmy or Matrix. It’s mainly a real-time chat application (with voice on top if you want). Nobody chatting on Discord will create a Lemmy post instead, two totally different forms of communication. That’s like complaining back in the day why the forum you use has an IRC room pinned.
Their business model will leave you completely dumbfounded as to how they exist.
Does it? Look up Discord Nitro, they charge a lot of money for basic functionality (like being able to share your screen above 720p, use custom emojis on other servers, promote your own server, …). They rake in plenty of money, no need to sell your data for that (which they at least say don’t do based on the terms and conditions).
Currently there is no good alternative to Discord for actual chatting. Lemmy doesn’t offer a chat function (Though the chat on Reddit was crap too). Mastodon is not a chat, it’s a Twitter alternative. And IRC has always been crap where 9 out of 10 people just idle and you don’t have a chat history.
Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Rooki@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Moderation?
Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
As you’ve probably seen from another comment
The bot by default includes support for bans, redactions, anti-spam, server ACLs, room directory changes, room alias transfers, account deactivation, room shutdown, and more.
And I know it’s self hosted and thus requires more work, which is why I suggested elsewhere to have a team of volunteers setting it up (the matrix room and draupnir server), presenting it to the LW admins, and letting they choose of they want to endorse it.
What do you think of that? It would give people supporting Matrix a way to constructively try to come up with a solution that can potentially make everyone happy.
Rooki@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Cool but what if i dont have access to the server? As this would 3x the managing effort of the LW team.
- Matrix Server - Probably gets ddosed too
- The bot itself
- Learn Matrix itself for moderation, managing the server.
At all LW wants to server a reliable ( unddosable ) service where you can get an response 99% of the time. And not “silencable” with a ddos. That costs more and more money.
j4k3@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Show me the numbers, against non paying users, infrastructure, and overhead. I don’t see this as valid. I also don’t agree with your tale on collecting and sharing data. What I read a couple of years ago was extremely vague and verbose. It also had the fuck you we can change this at any time without telling you clause. AKA, the points don’t matter so lube your butt plug because this is proprietary and you should know better clause. They are another company built on exploitation with no transparency or documentation. “Trust me” is garbage. Show me exactly what you are doing with full transparency, or you are a criminal. This is real world 21st century common sense. Discord is garbage.
Vlyn@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
They have 203 million dollars of revenue in a year from Nitro alone (the small subscription they sell): www.usesignhouse.com/blog/discord-stats
Then they have server boosts, which is another big pot of money on top.
And revenue share with content creators.
And Discord merch.
Tons of users too, evaluation is based on their platform + potential user base, not the actual money they pull in.
www.datasourse.com/how-discord-makes-money/
Maybe inform yourself first.
dustyData@lemmy.world 1 year ago
where 9 out of 10 people just idle and you don’t have a chat history
You just described Discord, lol.
Vlyn@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
No matter what niche Discord server I join, if I write something in the general channel I usually get a reply in seconds to a few minutes.
IRC? Has always been a dumpster where I might not get a single reply in an hour.
dustyData@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s just a product of sheer number of users. I was there in the IRC chats 20+ years ago. You also got replies in seconds. Sometimes chat rooms flew by so fast that admins had to force timeouts or the chat was unreadable. Less people use IRC now, but they tend to be far more tech knowledgeable people, with more experience and less toxic than Discord.
Vlyn@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I’ve been on the internet for roughly the last 27 years and I’ve never had a good experience on IRC. It always felt like a black hole for me and near unusable. No chat history, no proper channels and too many idlers.
Discord is proprietary, which isn’t great, but it has the features down pat. I can join whatever niche community and have fully indexed chat channels. I can write something new, or just search through the public logs if someone already asked my question in the past. Each server has a single topic, for example a certain game, so there’s also a split in channels for general discussion, bug reports, new player help, change logs, …
It’s well organized and does exactly what I need. And if you find someone you want to play with on a server, one click and you’re in a voice chat with them.
Compare that to the crap we used in the past: ICQ (just text chat, you had to know the ICQ number of everyone), Teamspeak (Just voice chat pretty much, I hosted my own server for over a decade, but it was always crap), Mumble (Similar to Teamspeak), …
There is a damn good reason why Discord is the standard nowadays. You might not like it, but that’s just the way it is.
Kangie@lemmy.srcfiles.zip 1 year ago
Sounds like you’re hanging out in the wrong places on IRC. As an open source contributor IRC is a place where I do a lot of my coordination.
Anonymousllama@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Matrix itself works fantastically for chat, we use it to coordinate conversations for kbin. It’s like a non shit version of discord (minus the video / audio support I guess)