Comment on Why would the NA beer industry standardize on a bottle shape that's grotesquely inconvenient, topples with minimal force, and doubles the required volume to ship?

Nemo@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• OsaErisXero@kbin.run ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I was under the impression that the glass was actually better, since the cans require a plastic lining to not ruin the beer and the bottles can either be recycled and reused as-is after a wash or ground up and remelted with little/no loss in quality.

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  • bluGill@kbin.run ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The plastic lining is for soda - beer tends to be less acidic and so doesn't need it. (at least in general)

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  • ShepherdPie@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Cans must be recyclable as well as they come with a deposit and many people return them to recycling centers.

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    • KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But they aren’t reusable, which is always the preferable option.

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  • ebc@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The lining in question is very thin (akin to a layer of paint) and just burns up when the cans are re-melted.

    Recycling beer bottles is indeed pretty easy once you get them to the processing center intact, but it’s getting there that’s the hard part. They’re fragile, pretty heavy and don’t stack well unless you put them in some form of packaging.

    Once they’re broken, they’re basically useless; glass isn’t recycled much except as grit material for sandpaper; re-melting it is resource-intensive and sensitive to impurities.

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  • badcommandorfilename@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    There’s no plastic in an aluminum can. Both glass and aluminum are almost totally recycled into their base materials. Aluminum is lighter to transport to and from the recycling facility.

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    • clif@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum_can

      The inside of the can is lined by spray coating an epoxy lacquer or polymer to protect the aluminum from being corroded by acidic contents such as carbonated beverages and imparting a metallic taste to the beverage

      Guess it depends on your definition of “plastic” and if someone would colloquially refer to an epoxy lining as plastic. Not here to debate word meanings but there is definitely a liner inside aluminum cans.

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    • OsaErisXero@kbin.run ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What I was referring to was the BPA lining traditionally found in cans: https://www.beeradvocate.com/articles/15869/bisphenol-pale-ale-should-you-be-worried-about-the-bpa-in-your-beer-can/

      Looking it up now, it looks like there are multiple alternative linings which are being phased in and/or proposed, but every can still has some sort of lining, whether an epoxy or other similar material to protect the contents of the can from the aluminum or vice versa.

      EDIT: whether or not this lining outweighs the additional transport and processing costs of glass (remelting/shaping glass is much more energy intensive than aluminum reporcessing as I understand it) was the question I was proposing and one I don't have an answer for.

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    • mbfalzar@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What aluminum cans are you getting that don’t have a plastic lining?

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    • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, they absolutely exist, you just seem to be ignorant. sciencealert.com/viral-video-reveals-the-bizarre-…

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• meekah@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Glass is almost always the most environmentally friendly packaging for drinks. Aluminium needs a lot of energy to be recycled and can only be used once. I’m not sure how it works in the states but here in Germany we reuse our glass bottles up to 50 times.

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  • pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah here in the US no containers get reused as is, due to corporate lobbying from pre 1990. Aluminum also is less energy intensive to transport since containers weigh less! Both are infinitely preferable to plastic containers.

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    • meekah@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ahhh corporate lobbying is a beautiful thing. Halting progress to make sure the rich get richer! But thanks dor that explanation. Also a good point about Aluminium being lighter.

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      • pixeltree@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Aluminum also takes way less energy and is much cheaper to recycle than to produce new! I think roughly around 2/3rds of all aluminum ever produced is still in use because of that. Don’t remember the exact figure, just remember it from my material science electives from college

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• sanguinepar@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Each to their own, but I always prefer the taste of beer from a bottle over beer from a can.

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  • Nemo@midwest.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re supposed to decant it into a glass for optimal experience, but I hear you. I can drink straight from a bottle in a way I won’t from a can.

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